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Quote: Originally Posted by Raghar View Post
This looks like 6-core based chip, two chips connected by intermediate. 8C is salvage 4+4. 12C is full chip for full price (look carefully, it doesn't have non X version).
Theory falls apart when you realize 16c parts have already been sent in, tested, leaked, posted, etc.

I think the 6c SKUs will be 129-169$, 8c SKUs will be around 199-299$, 12c SKUs 350-450$, 16c SKUs 500-650$.

Either way, we'll find out in approximately 12 hours.

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I think AMD is delaying it to get some goodies like DDR5, PCIE 5.0 or maybe a surprise under the hood like some sort of eDRAM/HBM. It would be pointless to just add more cores as 32 is already overkill for HEDT.
Or it could be a supply issue. Not enough chiplets to have both EYPC and Threadripper? However Threadripper was late last year. So maybe it got pushed back until next year 7nm+?

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Or it could be a supply issue. Not enough chiplets to have both EYPC and Threadripper? However Threadripper was late last year. So maybe it got pushed back until next year 7nm+?
I would assume so. Ryzen 9's are going to go for 500-600$ at a minimum, and consist of 2 chiplets and an IO die.

Threadripper would only be slightly better from a profit standpoint, and use up 4 chiplets. Meanwhile, Epyc is going to cost serious money, so the cost per chiplet is great for AMD in the server market.

Plus, overall market adoption of TR is relatively low. They want either market share or money, TR needs a break.

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Or it could be a supply issue. Not enough chiplets to have both EYPC and Threadripper? However Threadripper was late last year. So maybe it got pushed back until next year 7nm+?

Since EPYC is for Enterprise and Enterprise is where the money is EPYC will get priority in production. If they didn't do that they are stupid and deserve to fail as a company. I openly admit I thought 3 years ago AMD should cash it in and sell to Samsung or someone else. I was wrong. If they can start snagging Enterprise business away from Intel because of the gaffs in the security on Intel chips they are going to be in position to take some serious market share away.

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You're cherry picking things that aren't even out yet.

Adored specifically said prices are obviously subject to change, especially with the tarrif issues that have been plagueing the world as of the last 6 months, after his video posted.

The SKUs aren't proven wrong, as they haven't even been announced.

As per announcement? Was Zen 2 announced at CES? Yes, yes it was. So you're 0/3 so far on disproving anything. Even when he suspects something to be subject to change or fishy, he'll say that outright.

You're really pulling your hair out trying to disprove his leaks, and even then, he's still overall correct.

Remember, at the time, Zen 2 was thought to be a monolithic die with 8c/16t by the mainstream tech press. Reporting on something that early comes with all the caveats that things are subject to change, which he of course wrote about.
No, I'll repeat this and we can come back to it when all is revealed and you can decide if you still want to be his fangirl:

- The prices will be wrong
- The base/boost clocks will be almost entirely wrong
- The SKUs will be nearly all wrong
- The Ryzen 3000 APU info was all wrong (G APUs are 12nm+only for this year).
- The info on Navi will be wrong

So in summary, you say he's 'overrall correct', which is stupid because A: No he isn't and B: the things he might be right about are things anyone could have guessed. For example, 'wow, he guessed there would be a 12-core and 16-core', but we saw with ROME that they doubled cores on 7nm so that was an educated guess. His made-up specs, for example, 4.3Ghz base clock on the 16-core SKU, was anything but educated, it was so dumb I immediately knew his 'leak' was total bull*****.


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No, I'll repeat this and we can come back to it when all is revealed and you can decide if you still want to be his fangirl:

- The prices will be wrong
- The base/boost clocks will be almost entirely wrong
- The SKUs will be nearly all wrong
- The Ryzen 3000 APU info was all wrong (G APUs are 12nm+only for this year).
- The info on Navi will be wrong

So in summary, you say he's 'overrall correct', which is stupid because A: No he isn't and B: the things he might be right about are things anyone could have guessed. For example, 'wow, he guessed there would be a 12-core and 16-core', but we saw with ROME that they doubled cores on 7nm so that was an educated guess. His made-up specs, for example, 4.3Ghz base clock on the 16-core SKU, was anything but educated, it was so dumb I immediately knew his 'leak' was total bull*****.
Again, I haven't specified I think he's right, but your willingness to assume he's wrong is far more telling of your mental instability.. Sorry to say but you've lost it.

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Again, I haven't specified I think he's right, but your willingness to assume he's wrong is far more telling of your mental instability.. Sorry to say but you've lost it.
Keep in mind, The actualy computex announcement is in less than 10 hours, so If you would have just kept quiet you wouldn't have been seen as someone who's entirely gullible / disingenuous.

You can't claim someone is wrong before you have any facts to the contrary, likewise, we shouldn't have assumed anyone's leak to be 100% correct, as Adored has said time and time again that these are TBA and TBC.

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I told you. TAM... AMD is all about the TAM.

As for the 16c part... that's on the way later on.

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