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post #101 of 156 (permalink) Old 05-27-2019, 01:36 AM
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Keep in mind, The actualy computex announcement is in less than 10 hours, so If you would have just kept quiet you wouldn't have been seen as someone who's entirely gullible / disingenuous.

You can't claim someone is wrong before you have any facts to the contrary, likewise, we shouldn't have assumed anyone's leak to be 100% correct, as Adored has said time and time again that these are TBA and TBC.
As expected, he was spouting pure fanfiction right until the last. His clockspeeds aren't just off, they're 400Mhz lower base/boost. His prices are completely wrong, the skus are all wrong, APU part was BS, and finally, Navi info was wrong.

So please, don't take anything he says seriously in the future outside of general guesses. I think he needs to be banned as a source of info personally.


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Man. 16 Cores sounds crazy compared to i9-9900K

I have a feeling it'll be more like:

12C/24T R9 to compete with i9.
10C R7 no SMT to compete with i7.
8C R5 no SMT to compete with i5.
6C R3 no SMT to compete with i3.
First time I made a prediction with PC hardware. Glad at least I got one right.

Total fail on the product stack below R9 though.

Had a huge feeling 16C/32T mainstream that replaces 1700/1800 product lines wasn't gonna happen soon because these companies would love to slowly milk upticks specially with aspects of tech slowdown today.

I remember a poor fellow back then here OCN where he was alone in thinking that 16C/32T was simply too much for R7 this soon and that was a year ago. Most were kinda aggressive at him.
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First time I made a prediction with PC hardware. Glad at least I got one right.

Total fail on the product stack below R9 though.

Had a huge feeling 16C/32T mainstream that replaces 1700/1800 product lines wasn't gonna happen soon because these companies would love to slowly milk upticks specially with aspects of tech slowdown today.

I remember a poor fellow back then here OCN where he was alone in thinking that 16C/32T was simply too much for R7 this soon and that was a year ago. Most were kinda aggressive at him.
AMD, as the market underdog, has no reason ever to disable SMT, as it's basically free for them to implement.

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As expected, he was spouting pure fanfiction right until the last. His clockspeeds aren't just off, they're 400Mhz lower base/boost. His prices are completely wrong, the skus are all wrong, APU part was BS, and finally, Navi info was wrong.

So please, don't take anything he says seriously in the future outside of general guesses. I think he needs to be banned as a source of info personally.
I'll gladly keep watching his content, because he never claimed that these were true or set in stone. If you can't differentiate between leaks (which may or may not be reliable) and announcements, that's on you.
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I'll gladly keep watching his content, because he never claimed that these were true or set in stone. If you can't differentiate between leaks (which may or may not be reliable) and announcements, that's on you.
If leaks are seldom accurate, are they any good?

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If leaks are seldom accurate, are they any good?
yes, they're fun, and make for good conversation.

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If leaks are seldom accurate, are they any good?
If you look at leaks simply as wanting to know something sooner than the official announcement and having them be 95%+ accurate, they aren't any good. That is especially true if a leak is out more than a month or two in advance, because things are practically guaranteed to change before the product is launched. But that is not what I like about his videos.

I find it interesting how a single chart determines completely whether a leak is right or not. Adored's work is based on a lot of speculation, and he freely admits this. He also knows his leaks can be inaccurate, which is why he says to take them with a grain of salt. But people still see them as some sort of gospel... And then they get angry at the guy, as if he's the one producing the products.

He was completely wrong on the naming on Navi for example. He also said it would still be GCN, although Lisa announced RDNA instead. We don't really know if it's a renaming of GCN since it got some new upgrades, or if it is indeed a truly new architecture.
It might also be possible that some are trying to destroy his credibility by deliberately leaking lies to him, mixed with some true leaks. He has trashed on multiple companies after all...
But in any case, it's not a pure fact that his Ryzen leak was fully wrong, in the sense that it might simply be outdated information. It is off in many ways but some products do line up:
The R7 3700 from the table is the R9 3900X. Price is $200 more in reality. TDP is 10w more. Clocks & cores match.
Similarly the R5 3600 from the table is the R7 3700X. $150 over. Clocks & cores match.
The R3 3300X is a very close match for the real R5 3600. $70 over.

In reality we got lower frequencies, higher prices, but better IPC improvements than expected. It's quite possible that these were design goals that got leaked to AdoredTV, rather than the final products. A lot can change in a couple of months.

It's also equally possible that 5 GHz was planned to be announced, but since Intel announced a 5 GHz all core boost on the 9900K refresh, and Ryzen was only capable of having a single core 5 GHz boost when XFR is enabled, that they refrained from talking about 5GHz entirely. There are still many unknowns here...

I see no reason to hate on the guy because his over 6 month old table doesn't line up with what we got.
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Jim fell into a trap so many people fall into.

He wanted that list to be true because it was awesome, so he didn't evaluate it critically until too late. He problematically does that quite frequently.


Now Jim has done some good work, his early as in he was suggesting AMD was going to go the chiplet route back when lots of posters, even people over at realworld tech who actually work in the silicon field were going "naaaah". digging up of the butter doughnut topology has really raised peoples attention to the future that will be active interposers.

Back to the chiplets, I think people don't realize even with the low prices of the new 3000 line how high the margins AMD is going to be raking in. Chiplets really do drop the cost to manufacture, even on a more expensive process with a high defect density. AMDs cost per functional piece of silicon on 7nm is going to be way, way lower then that of Intels 10nm costs, even with the extra packaging costs. Jim was one of the first people to point this out, and I think its something even most people here STILL don't get.

TL;DR His record with leaks is terrible, and he needs to stop doing that stuff. He does his best work when he's poring through engineering papers, conference notes and patent docs and analyzing that.

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Jim fell into a trap so many people fall into.

He wanted that list to be true because it was awesome, so he didn't evaluate it critically until too late. He problematically does that quite frequently.


Now Jim has done some good work, his early as in he was suggesting AMD was going to go the chiplet route back when lots of posters, even people over at realworld tech who actually work in the silicon field were going "naaaah". digging up of the butter doughnut topology has really raised peoples attention to the future that will be active interposers.

Back to the chiplets, I think people don't realize even with the low prices of the new 3000 line how high the margins AMD is going to be raking in. Chiplets really do drop the cost to manufacture, even on a more expensive process with a high defect density. AMDs cost per functional piece of silicon on 7nm is going to be way, way lower then that of Intels 10nm costs, even with the extra packaging costs. Jim was one of the first people to point this out, and I think its something even most people here STILL don't get.

TL;DR His record with leaks is terrible, and he needs to stop doing that stuff. He does his best work when he's poring through engineering papers, conference notes and patent docs and analyzing that.
He announced this yesterday on twitter;
"Just what I was told, the 12 Core boosts to 5GHz. Today however I was told that clocks were much lower than I had suggested but the chips still overclock to 5GHz, which I found strange as you'd think that if they OC to 5GHz then they'd boost to 5GHz..."
https://twitter.com/AdoredTV/status/...773259777?s=19

We don't know anything yet about precision boost & XFR... Let's see what E3 brings.
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He announced this yesterday on twitter;
"Just what I was told, the 12 Core boosts to 5GHz. Today however I was told that clocks were much lower than I had suggested but the chips still overclock to 5GHz, which I found strange as you'd think that if they OC to 5GHz then they'd boost to 5GHz..."
https://twitter.com/AdoredTV/status/...773259777?s=19

We don't know anything yet about precision boost & XFR... Let's see what E3 brings.
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