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How can we still be talking this youtube guy and his CES predictions. I admit, it was a pretty spectacular crash, but I think we need to move on.
what? and learn nothing from it?

i know hindsight is 20/20 and i have ignored the guy for at least two years now but i just yesterday did run across his "what is zen 2" video and it looks like he based his clock speeds on the best controlled testing results for an unrelated (mobile) part.
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i hope people learned what is possible does not mean what is probable. but i guess a you tube channel > scientific testing or hype > critical thinking.

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Well I'm not going to hold anything against the guy for being wrong because being right isn't one of the things he needs to be in order to do his job correctly. He is a YouTube entertainer who provides opinion pieces and being wrong is part of being entertaining, and it generates just as much traffic as being right. It certainly garners as much attention, judging by the fact that we are still talking about it 5 months later (the only thing that baffles me).

If he had the ability to accurately predict the future he wouldn't spouting the info for free on YouTube.

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Quote: Originally Posted by bigjdubb View Post
Well I'm not going to hold anything against the guy for being wrong because being right isn't one of the things he needs to be in order to do his job correctly. He is a YouTube entertainer who provides opinion pieces and being wrong is part of being entertaining, and it generates just as much traffic as being right. It certainly garners as much attention, judging by the fact that we are still talking about it 5 months later (the only thing that baffles me).

If he had the ability to accurately predict the future he wouldn't spouting the info for free on YouTube.
No, it generates more traffic than being right. That's the point.

Real tech journalists tread very lightly with leaks because 99.9% of them are BS. The price you have to pay for being correct is waiting to report actual FACTS. Once in a while the National Enquirer hits a story that ends up being true, but the majority of people don't take tabloids seriously. Here we have FORBES reporting on this guys garbage videos, and enthusiasts from far and wide taking his word as gospel. He does more damage than good. There are probably going to be a ton of people upset that AMD priced their processors so high and that they don't clock as high due to adored's ridiculous videos. Funnily enough, I read a few pages back that Adored was criticizing AMD for their prices on the 6 core parts LOL. Do you understand how absolutely ridiculous that is? He peddled the high expectations, got a TON of views for selling his lies, and then has the balls to criticize the company that he was lying about for not making his garbage come true. He is INSANE lol.


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oh, you seem to forget that on you tube he gets paid w/every click and controversy breeds cash.

toss in a small but vocal fanbase, desperate for (some sort of) goal, leading the gullible and you only need to be right once, which the odds do favor, to have a cash cow.

yeah, i'm jelly. but not from a financial perspective - i just love negative attention.

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Holy, his twitter account is a gold mine right now lol. Real class act. I think the saying "don't do the crime if you can't do the time" applies.
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Holy, his twitter account is a gold mine right now lol. Real class act. I think the saying "don't do the crime if you can't do the time" applies.
Having read that reply chain, I can confidently say I know what rock bottom looks like.

It's also pretty cringy that he thinks he's relevant enough to be playing the followers card.
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No, it generates more traffic than being right. That's the point.

Real tech journalists tread very lightly with leaks because 99.9% of them are BS. The price you have to pay for being correct is waiting to report actual FACTS. Once in a while the National Enquirer hits a story that ends up being true, but the majority of people don't take tabloids seriously. Here we have FORBES reporting on this guys garbage videos, and enthusiasts from far and wide taking his word as gospel. He does more damage than good. There are probably going to be a ton of people upset that AMD priced their processors so high and that they don't clock as high due to adored's ridiculous videos. Funnily enough, I read a few pages back that Adored was criticizing AMD for their prices on the 6 core parts LOL. Do you understand how absolutely ridiculous that is? He peddled the high expectations, got a TON of views for selling his lies, and then has the balls to criticize the company that he was lying about for not making his garbage come true. He is INSANE lol.
"Real Tech Journalists", there aren't any. Real tech journalism died when Anand left Anandtech and Tom left Tom's Hardware. Ever since then, we've had bought and paid for content with many in the so-called "Tech Journalism" arena joining and leaving large tech companies, who've they've given positive reviews, like a revolving door.

Linus, GamerNexus, etc are also not real tech journalists. GamerNexus is better than most though (I'll give Steve that much).

Many have no idea what it used to be like prior to the rise of social media. When tech was tech and it wasn't all about "Gaming" (which is only a tiny part of tech).

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Holy, his twitter account is a gold mine right now lol. Real class act. I think the saying "don't do the crime if you can't do the time" applies.
Of course, because from what I've seen so far... many folks don't know how the tech industry works and that's mostly because of the fact that we have poor tech journalists. Decisions on final clocks etc oftentimes end up being made right before the product is announced. Internally, companies will change their minds as engineering testing unfolds so you might get a company, like say Intel, internally discussing a Core i7 product with 4 cores at 5GHz only to then release it at 5.2 or 5.4GHz depending on the market competition at the time. Even the core counts change as well as the TDP (as more engineering samples are tested).

Jim reports that information. It changes from day to day, week to week. At the time Jim reported his findings, the Ryzen 3000 series probably did conceptually match what he reported. AMD changed their minds. Why? Most likely had to do with the yields, pricing AMD are aiming for and the competition from Intel.

Just look at say the Radeon 2900XTX, ATi had clock speeds they were aiming for and performance figures they were aiming for. As the GPU went through testing ATi realized that this part required too much power, produced too much heat and could barely hold a candle to what nVIDIA had. Result? Cancelled. AMD were also testing a dual GPU Fury card (there are rare engineering samples around) but they were never released or how about the infamous 3Dfx Voodoo 5 6000 128MB?

Jim did nothing wrong. Those attacking him are ignorant as to how the industry works imho.

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About the pricing. AMD financial department dont care that much for ryzens raw performance. If they have marketing plan and products are set for each price range, they will have stuff to fight with the intel cpus. TR might still come because HEDT is very profitable part of the cake, and we might still get ryzen 3700x for 300$ because AMD would lose to many sales. Dont get me wrong, they are not charity, but they will undercut intel prices, not by much but they will. We are just coming back to more reasonable prices for mainstream market. HEDT is where the prices will grow. Mainstream is just to mainstream to infinitly raise the prices. Nvidia is a best proof of that.

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Of course, because from what I've seen so far... many folks don't know how the tech industry works and that's mostly because of the fact that we have poor tech journalists. Decisions on final clocks etc oftentimes end up being made right before the product is announced. Internally, companies will change their minds as engineering testing unfolds so you might get a company, like say Intel, internally discussing a Core i7 product with 4 cores at 5GHz only to then release it at 5.2 or 5.4GHz depending on the market competition at the time. Even the core counts change as well as the TDP (as more engineering samples are tested).

Jim reports that information. It changes from day to day, week to week. At the time Jim reported his findings, the Ryzen 3000 series probably did conceptually match what he reported. AMD changed their minds. Why? Most likely had to do with the yields, pricing AMD are aiming for and the competition from Intel.

Just look at say the Radeon 2900XTX, ATi had clock speeds they were aiming for and performance figures they were aiming for. As the GPU went through testing ATi realized that this part required too much power, produced too much heat and could barely hold a candle to what nVIDIA had. Result? Cancelled. AMD were also testing a dual GPU Fury card (there are rare engineering samples around) but they were never released or how about the infamous 3Dfx Voodoo 5 6000 128MB?

Jim did nothing wrong. Those attacking him are ignorant as to how the industry works imho.
I agree. The only thing he must improve is how he reacts to people though, because it gives the haters more points to use against him.
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I agree. The only thing he must improve is how he reacts to people though, because it gives the haters more points to use against him.
I like how you downplayed his behavior as some sort of misstep in a popularity contest, as if reasonable, non-partisan bystanders wouldn't criticize him for it.

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