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The 2700X launch price could have been influenced by the intel 9th gen. This time around - what else do we have?

BTW, the i9 9900K still sells for 500$. Based on that, AMD can easily charge the 8-core upwards of 350$.
Yeah I get that, doesn't mean I can't be a little disappointed at the idea of raised prices. (as a consumer)
Of course on the other hand, if AMD has what they're rumored to have and Intel can get away with selling that 9900k at $500.. AMD should frankly be allowed to get away with $450. Thankfully, I doubt it'll be any more than $350. Don't need prices permanently in Intels favourite position (Over)

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If you are talking $2000 USD - that is just ridiculous .
They are chasing mind share and market share . It will be competitively priced but I doubt it will be cheap , I doubt that it will be more expensive than the current 16 core Thread Ripper and most likely $100 or so cheaper .
The thing I suspect will affect prices is the amount of Ryzen 2XXX cpus in the channel .
You actually sound like a Shareholder , wishful thinking !
Yes at $2000 why would anyone buy it. I could buy a 2990WX for less than that....

Right now a 2950X is selling on Amazon for USD $799.99.... so to me that would seem like a reasonable top end price range for the mainstream side. You could also say leaks claim that the price should be lower... maybe it will be. I just don't think an AM4 chip at $800+... Well I guess it depends on if they can swing the HEDT crowd over there and if the lack of quad channel memory would affect what they would be running.

It's not like the 16c/32t chip has to be aimed at the general market. They have plenty of products coming (according to leaks etc).

That said.... I am going to guess that at least with some of these chips. If you don't have a pre-order in and the initial batches sell out. Then just like every other "launch" you will see products listed with stupid prices... maybe even $2000... We've seen both GPU's and CPU's listed at double the msrp after the batches sell out.
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Yes at $2000 why would anyone buy it. I could buy a 2990WX for less than that....

Right now a 2950X is selling on Amazon for USD $799.99.... so to me that would seem like a reasonable top end price range for the mainstream side. You could also say leaks claim that the price should be lower... maybe it will be. I just don't think an AM4 chip at $800+... Well I guess it depends on if they can swing the HEDT crowd over there and if the lack of quad channel memory would affect what they would be running.

It's not like the 16c/32t chip has to be aimed at the general market. They have plenty of products coming (according to leaks etc).

That said.... I am going to guess that at least with some of these chips. If you don't have a pre-order in and the initial batches sell out. Then just like every other "launch" you will see products listed with stupid prices... maybe even $2000... We've seen both GPU's and CPU's listed at double the msrp after the batches sell out.
If their yields are good I do not think there will be major shortages .
That said I may still wait and see if any gen 3 thread-ripper plans are in the works or if it is toast . because it looks like this arch ( particularly the 16/32 version ) would be best served by the extra resources of the thread ripper or similar platform , That is not to say 16/32 on desktop is going to be in any way bad , I just think that dual channel memory and extra pcie lanes would be beneficial
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Yes at $2000 why would anyone buy it. I could buy a 2990WX for less than that....

Right now a 2950X is selling on Amazon for USD $799.99.... so to me that would seem like a reasonable top end price range for the mainstream side. You could also say leaks claim that the price should be lower... maybe it will be. I just don't think an AM4 chip at $800+... Well I guess it depends on if they can swing the HEDT crowd over there and if the lack of quad channel memory would affect what they would be running.

It's not like the 16c/32t chip has to be aimed at the general market. They have plenty of products coming (according to leaks etc).

That said.... I am going to guess that at least with some of these chips. If you don't have a pre-order in and the initial batches sell out. Then just like every other "launch" you will see products listed with stupid prices... maybe even $2000... We've seen both GPU's and CPU's listed at double the msrp after the batches sell out.
800 dollars is not a reasonable price point for mainstream parts. Besides, the AM4 platform is a lot less featureful, so it would be even less reasonable to charge the same price. It has fewer memory channels, it has fewer PCIe lanes, and at a physical level the CPU package and socket are less complex and costly to build.

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800 dollars is not a reasonable price point for mainstream parts. Besides, the AM4 platform is a lot less featureful, so it would be even less reasonable to charge the same price. It has fewer memory channels, it has fewer PCIe lanes, and at a physical level the CPU package and socket are less complex and costly to build.
I was simply showing an example. The performance results leak if real is more than that $799 CPU I used for comparison. Memory channels come down to if you personally really take advantage of them and with PCIE 4.0... I'm not really sure how the lanes work out.

*I* am not paying $800 for an AM4 CPU... ever.

I like the leaked prices... but I'm not sure those are real either.

I've already sold off all my excess parts. I'm definitely doing a build with one of these CPU's. To be quite honest even at one leaked price of around $500 for a 16c/32t part... I would be leaning more towards a 12c/24t part. This is also probably the last build I'm going to do or at least for a long time. So I'll have to see final specs before I make my choice locked in.
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I like the leaked prices... but I'm not sure those are real either.
Not so long ago AMD released an 8 core chip at half the price of intel's 8 core chip.
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Let's place Bets:
Ryzen 9 3900X/3900 16c/32t -$699/$649
Ryzen 9 3800X/3900 12c/24t -$599/$549
Ryzen 7 3700X/3700 8c/16t -$399/$349
Nah it will most likely be $549, $399 and $279 respectively. It will be R7 and R5 respectively as well.


They will match Intel pricing for 9900K but offer double the amount of cores like what they did in past 2 generations.

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Not so long ago AMD released an 8 core chip at half the price of intel's 8 core chip.

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If single core performance can match a 9900k at 5ghz ill bite on a 16core chip.

While the 9900k currently is amazing for fps/frame times in games once you put it under encoding load while gaming on the same pc it does start to sweat a bit.

8 core is nice for encoding/streaming on the same pc but not quite enough for flawless experince. 16 cores might bring that. However nvidia revent software obs improvement to NVENC is really killing the need for x264 encoding

Game streaming reviews I will be watching extremely close.
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Like I thought :-), Ryzen 5 3600 will remain 6C :-).
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AdoredTV is heavily AMD bias and none of his "leaks" have turned out to be true. I'm going to go ahead and say the cinebench score is wrong.

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