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Yeah Im not arguing the notion that this recent line of cards has been popular with consumers, though for enthusiasts and some of the professional market there simply isnt anything else competitive on the market. Anyone outside of these markets and even some of those currently in them simply cant justify the RTX line as it stands today.

AMD has blown most of the R&D and production budget on their cpu line/s (which of course was a wise solution) and the gpu market is not exactly easy to break in to. Best thing consumers can hope for is Intel having a strong initial showing, which doesnt seem likely right now.
I agreed, but when you see nvidia trying to price gouge a 2060 call it super or not is a damn xx60 gpu after all and trying to put a msrb $429 we should know the future dont seems good...
Why you think the pc gaming bloomed the last couple of yrs? bcuz of good prices.. You have company's selling you mainstream cpus at hedt prices you see nvidia charging $429 msrb for a xx60 chip....

where we going to end at at this point?


im sorry but a console its looking very appealing at this point XD 30 fps or not lol

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Yeah Im not arguing the notion that this recent line of cards has been popular with consumers, though for enthusiasts and some of the professional market there simply isnt anything else competitive on the market. Anyone outside of these markets and even some of those currently in them simply cant justify the RTX line as it stands today.

AMD has blown most of the R&D and production budget on their cpu line/s (which of course was a wise solution) and the gpu market is not exactly easy to break in to. Best thing consumers can hope for is Intel having a strong initial showing, which doesnt seem likely right now.
Other than abandoning PCMR and getting a console, shop entry level. That is where the $/performance is decent, otherwise with higher end cards companies make more of a profit. Nothing here is new given the current duolpoy climate. Choice is an illusion. The more astounding revelation is Nivida managed to 'lead' the entire gaming industry to RT. Hats off.

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Given his statement, he is referring to consumers that arent in the gaming market or really even the enthusiast market.
well, his statement which usually is the case if you havent read him before which defends this type of behavior..
seen him numerous times defending it like is worth it..

trust me people who are actually thinking of doing just that they will just do it its the same as apple 50k machine they will just buy it and the discussion is over XD


But, it dont fit what i said at all... Nvidia is the laughing stock right now believe it or not and is not me saying it. You can go read users comments on wccftech, twitter, facebooks ads etc....
same pattern..
Sure I agree when it comes to the cards gaming performance compared to last generation it can be funny. When you look at the cards compute and content creation abilities you can see the value.

After seeing Love Death and Robots I can't hate on the RTX series.

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I agreed, but when you see nvidia trying to price gouge a 2060 call it super or not is a damn xx60 gpu after all and trying to put a msrb $429 we should know the future dont seems good...
Why you think the pc gaming bloomed the last couple of yrs? bcuz of good prices.. You have company's selling you mainstream cpus at hedt prices you see nvidia charging $429 msrb for a xx60 chip....

where we going to end at at this point?


im sorry but a console its looking very appealing at this point XD 30 fps or not lol
I dont really think PC gaming boomed because of good prices. If anything I think the streaming and professional gaming scene was a huge uplift for pc gaming, simply because it became a viable option for millions of consumers. Its also important to note that the current generation of consoles was so underpowered that the PC platform was much more inticing, the next generation looks to be the same particularly after we get past all the marketing hoopla.


Realistically its been quite awhile since people would say Nvidia had good prices, maybe since what the 8800 line?

If anything there really isnt any reason for the typical consumer to upgrade, at least not until we see the next line of consoles and bottom line development takes a couple steps up. I dont think that there is any doubt that the 2k line up isnt a great option for gamers, but I dont look for this trend to continue. Eventually, there will be competition in the market or Nvidia will need to start offering more viable upgrade paths to consumers. Nvidia is a public company and they cant afford too many poor sales cycles for their most visible product/s.

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I didn't realize PC gaming was going through a boom. I tend to stay as far away from streaming and e-sports as possible so it makes sense to me for them to be the source of a boom I didn't see.

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Mind you 2060 @ 400+ MSRB

$430 bucks lol

thats the bargain of the century hahahahhaa
Again depends on the use case because I'm sure it will be a bargain for deep learning.

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I didn't realize PC gaming was going through a boom. I tend to stay as far away from streaming and e-sports as possible so it makes sense to me for them to be the source of a boom I didn't see.
PC gaming is on the uptick, but it's in the low end spec range of PC's. the Fortnite type games that can run on a potato.

What I would refer to as PC gaming and likely you as well (getting the newest AAA release on PC instead of a console) if anything has been on the downturn lately based on the downturn in custom PC parts sales like GPU's etc. etc.

With the costs of PC getting inflated to the moon between mining booms, collusion (DDR4), and just plain greed, it seems to me that critical mass has been hit and the added benefits of PC gaming just isn't worth the costs anymore.


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PC gaming is on the uptick, but it's in the low end spec range of PC's. the Fortnite type games that can run on a potato.

What I would refer to as PC gaming and likely you as well (getting the newest AAA release on PC instead of a console) if anything has been on the downturn lately based on the downturn in custom PC parts sales like GPU's etc. etc.

With the costs of PC getting inflated to the moon between mining booms, collusion (DDR4), and just plain greed, it seems to me that critical mass has been hit and the added benefits of PC gaming just isn't worth the costs anymore.
The problem is that you cant relate software releases to hardware releases particularly when there simply isnt a relevant reason for your typical PC gamer to upgrade.

The platform as a whole is very hard to gauge as far a sales figures, but there is more than enough anecdotal evidence and statements from publishers to suggest that PC is a larger portion of their sales than it has been in the past. I havent seen anything to suggest that there has been a downturn in AAA title sales.

Generally speaking the market for higher end gaming (AAA) should swing back to consoles around the release of the next generation, but then level off a year or two after they have been released. This seems to have become a relative norm in the industry. Ultimately I cant see the PC platform not being a mainstay in the gaming market at whatever segment, simply because the consumer base is too large to ignore and game development is considerably easier to port/transfer these days with consoles not being overly exotic anymore.

Having said this, with the looming introduction of service based gaming Im not sure where the market will ultimately end up. I can easily see this having both positive and negative impact on the PC platform.
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I have had a couple of friends make the jump into pc gaming in the last six months. I thought it was more of an anomaly than a trend because I can't recall anyone else I know "getting into" pc gaming since the early 2000's.

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