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post #21 of 112 (permalink) Old 06-24-2019, 01:43 PM
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Keep in mind it's tested on a x470 Gaming 7. If you actually own the board you know that F40 BIOs isn't fully ironed out yet even for Ryzen 7 2700X let alone the 3rd gen Ryzen chips.

For example with 1778 CB R15 score that's around 3.95-4GHz all core and even with Hynix RAM I attain over 176 single core CB R15. The CB R20 score seems in line with stock though.

Essentially what this suggests is that with mere 4.5GHz boost clock Ryzen 7 3800X/3700X will edge out the i9-9900k (5GHz single core boost, ~4.8GHz quad core boost) at stock. The cooling used isn't listed and that affects clockspeeds with precision boost.



The latency numbers for memory leave a lot to be desired. AMD slides have it at 69ns for 3200C14 kit , this review has 80ns. This may partially explain the gaming deficit., since in DX11 Firestrike and Dx12 Timespy Ryzen 5 3600 is almost on par with the i9. They didn't use 1% or 0.1% lows , a mere FPS number is given.
They don't say which particular kit they used and we can't assume it's a CL14 because there's 3200MHZ G-skill FLARE X memory with 16-18-18-38 timings.
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The link in the article goes to the 3200C14 kit:
https://elchapuzasinformatico.com/20...x-ddr4-review/


edit: I think it's because they're running their RAM in the wrong DIMM Slot or something like that



Memory write on the Ryzen 5 3600 is listed as 25,600 MB/s when the Ryzen 5 2600X is 47,823 MB/s

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I don't know about that. 196 in cinebench st is kind of low. Not sure what clock speed that was at but my 7820x @ 4.6 does 207ish.

Low? You're talking about a ~5% difference. They ran the chip at stock, thus with a 4.2 Ghz boost. The 3800X has a 4.5 Ghz boost, thus 7% higher, and if you compare price for price against the 9900K, the 3900X has a 4.6 Ghz boost, which is 9.5% higher.

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Last time every reviewer tested showed gaming wasn't affected. Unless you want them to disable hyper-threading?

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Quote: Originally Posted by AlphaC View Post
Keep in mind it's tested on a x470 Gaming 7. If you actually own the board you know that F40 BIOs isn't fully ironed out yet even for Ryzen 7 2700X let alone the 3rd gen Ryzen chips.

The latency numbers for memory leave a lot to be desired. AMD slides have it at 69ns for 3200C14 kit , this review has 80ns. This may partially explain the gaming deficit., since in DX11 Firestrike and Dx12 Timespy Ryzen 5 3600 is almost on par with the i9. They didn't use 1% or 0.1% lows , a mere FPS number is given.
I get 80ns with my Flares at an optimal default of 2400MHz on a Gen1+ and B350. A 67ns at 3200 CL14 DOCP.

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Quote: Originally Posted by Darkpriest667 View Post
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT210108 -- How to enable full mitigation for Microarchitectural Data Sampling (MDS) vulnerabilities


The only way to fully protect yourself against the vulnerabilities is to disable hyperthreading.
That's exactly why I asked if you wanted reviewers to test without hyper-threading since patches aren't affecting gaming.

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us...ology/mds.html

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This review sadly doesn't tell me much. Too much information is missing and not enough tests done.



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edit: my 2700x system scores 180CB, 9900k 223 and believe it or not also have a ryzen 5 2600 with the cheapest possible motherboard (asrock b450m) which scores 173

Good comparison is 2600 vs 3600 where there seems to be a 13% gain

Probably not upgrade worthy but a decent purchase for those looking to buy a new system. I still maintain the 2600 is all you need for a 4k gaming setup

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It's noticeable faster than 2700X in games. And ofc it's slower than Intel, we expected that. The fastest Zen 2 CPU (3950X I guess) won't catch 9900K, but it will be close enough ppl won't care.
It will sail right past 9900K lol, big time. 8C vs 16C, it's not even a competition, it's a slaughter.
You write your application right and 9900K has no chance with it's lower total performance.

3600 looks fine, matching Intel 6C/12T and older Zen 8C/16T. For more details gotta wait 2 weeks. For an early review, it's doesn't show anything too bad or too good. As expected and that's good.
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