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post #71 of 112 (permalink) Old 06-26-2019, 02:43 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by CJRhoades View Post
Higher IPC yes, but its looking like clock speeds on 10nm are going to be ~10% lower than 14nm++ if the mobile parts are anything to go by. Plus, by the time Sunny Cove arrives on desktop, it'll be competing against Zen 3 or later which will be on the newer 7nm+ EUV process.

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At the current time, it's more like ~14.6% lower, and that's judging by the 4.1 Ghz boost that they mention in slides. If we go by the Ice Lake SKUs that Dell listed (see second link below), the highest model so far only boosts to 3.9 Ghz, so ~18.8% lower when compared to the 14nm++ Whiskey Lake based i7-8665U, which boosts to 4.8 Ghz on the same 15w TDP.

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That's exactly why I asked if you wanted reviewers to test without hyper-threading since patches aren't affecting gaming.

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us...ology/mds.html

Of course Intel isn't recommending you disable it because it destroys performance, that being said our labs and analysis show that the ONLY way to protect against the MDS exploit is to DISABLE HYPERTHREADING IN BIOS

Run your 9900k benchmarks with hyperthreading disabled and then post the screen shots. The Security risk is there in Zombieload and until someone smarter than you or I figures out a way to stop it disabling hyperthreading is the only known way to secure against the threat.


EDIT -- this means, as Darkpriest alludes, that any benchmark with hyperthreading enabled on an Intel machine is invalid.

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I was looking at caselabs quality cases. Budget is not too concerning.
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I was looking at caselabs quality cases. Budget is not too concerning.
I thought case labs went under.
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Given this benchmark i'm a bit disappointed that so many are taking the rest of the benchmark results seriously. Even if the leak is real, they've screwed up the results and you should all definitely be waiting for launch reviews instead.

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This part looks to be roughly the equivalent of an 8700k, except for a small deficit in gaming. Likely to do with lower boost clocks.

AMD is going to clean house in servers probably with more cores, more efficiency, and similar or better IPC, but desktop users can expect a lateral upgrade (at least in gaming) when compared to high end intel parts.

If intel lowers prices to match AMD I think they can stay competitive in desktops. The real story is that this particular model will be a 200$ chip, while offering more threads and higher clock speed to Intel's comparable 9600k at 250$.
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This part looks to be roughly the equivalent of an 8700k, except for a small deficit in gaming. Likely to do with lower boost clocks.

AMD is going to clean house in servers probably with more cores, more efficiency, and similar or better IPC, but desktop users can expect a lateral upgrade (at least in gaming) when compared to high end intel parts.

If intel lowers prices to match AMD I think they can stay competitive in desktops. The real story is that this particular model will be a 200$ chip, while offering more threads and higher clock speed to Intel's comparable 9600k at 250$.
Intel would need to move the whole stack again, 6 core i3, 8 core i5 etc Amd have in the past shown that this part in this tier could be £135, I got my 2600 in a sale for that.

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Quote: Originally Posted by mothergoose729 View Post
This part looks to be roughly the equivalent of an 8700k, except for a small deficit in gaming. Likely to do with lower boost clocks.

AMD is going to clean house in servers probably with more cores, more efficiency, and similar or better IPC, but desktop users can expect a lateral upgrade (at least in gaming) when compared to high end intel parts.

If intel lowers prices to match AMD I think they can stay competitive in desktops. The real story is that this particular model will be a 200$ chip, while offering more threads and higher clock speed to Intel's comparable 9600k at 250$.
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Am I missing something or are you ignoring the 6700k on those results?
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Intel would need to move the whole stack again, 6 core i3, 8 core i5 etc Amd have in the past shown that this part in this tier could be £135, I got my 2600 in a sale for that.

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I was looking at caselabs quality cases. Budget is not too concerning.
In Win has some really high quality cases. If it's a big modular quality case you are after, Mountainmods is pretty good too.

Quote: Originally Posted by Dell_Analyst View Post
Of course Intel isn't recommending you disable it because it destroys performance, that being said our labs and analysis show that the ONLY way to protect against the MDS exploit is to DISABLE HYPERTHREADING IN BIOS

Run your 9900k benchmarks with hyperthreading disabled and then post the screen shots. The Security risk is there in Zombieload and until someone smarter than you or I figures out a way to stop it disabling hyperthreading is the only known way to secure against the threat.


EDIT -- this means, as Darkpriest alludes, that any benchmark with hyperthreading enabled on an Intel machine is invalid.
If you are gaming or benchmarking on a system that is critical enough to have any worries about those security risks, you are doing it very, very, wrong.



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