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post #1 of 27 (permalink) Old 06-27-2019, 10:50 AM - Thread Starter
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[HH] AMD Radeon RX 5800 And RX 5900 Navi GPUs Documented In Trademark Filings

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[EEC] Sapphire RX 5900/5800/5700/5600/5500 Series (also RX 590XT). https://t.co/8ejyYLmiaX pic.twitter.com/YmvKttXfgJ
— 比屋定さんの戯れ言@Komachi (@KOMACHI_ENSAKA) June 26, 2019
Sapphire has registered a whole slew of product names with the EEC for upcoming graphics cards including the Radeon RX 5500 at the low end and a Radeon RX 5950 XT at the high-end.


Although it’s pure speculation at this point, it’s possible that the hypothetical Radeon RX 5800 and Radeon RX 5900 series graphics cards are based on 7nm Navi 20 architecture. Previous rumors suggested that we might not see these Navi 20 parts arrive until sometime in early half of 2020.


The Radeon RX 5800/5800 XT and Radeon RX 5900/5900XT could potentially be poised to challenge the GeForce RTX 2080 and GeForce RTX 2080 Ti respectively. But even then, we have to keep in mind that NVIDIA is rumored to be readying a GeForce RTX “SUPER” refresh that could shake up the performance dynamics of the gaming card market and adjust price points.
https://hothardware.com/news/sapphir...0-navi-navi-20


As a point or reference Sapphire has been known to be the main/top tier partner for Radeon. Therefore, it's possible there is a 5800/5900 cards incoming.
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I remember when the 5850/5870 launched and how incredible those cards were compared to their 4850/4870 counterparts and I hope AMD does something like that again here with these cards. If AMD can match nVidia's 2080 Ti replacement (if there is one) at the same price that will be really cool. If they can beat the performance, even if the price is higher, that will be fantastic. nVidia needs to get kicked into gear and I think AMD offering a full sized chip that is underclocked for air but which can really shine under water would do exactly that.

My hopes: 5950XT = 125%+ 2080 Ti performance ~$800-1000.
My expectation: 5950XT = 95% 2080 Ti performance ~ $1099

Lets see what happens...

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I remember when the 5850/5870 launched and how incredible those cards were compared to their 4850/4870 counterparts and I hope AMD does something like that again here with these cards. If AMD can match nVidia's 2080 Ti replacement (if there is one) at the same price that will be really cool. If they can beat the performance, even if the price is higher, that will be fantastic. nVidia needs to get kicked into gear and I think AMD offering a full sized chip that is underclocked for air but which can really shine under water would do exactly that.

My hopes: 5950XT = 125%+ 2080 Ti performance ~$800-1000.
My expectation: 5950XT = 95% 2080 Ti performance ~ $1099

Lets see what happens...
Man those were the days... I wanted a 5850 Toxic so BADLY!

Also hoping these cards are solid performers (and that it starts a price war; I really don't want to drop ~$1K+ for my next GPU).
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I also recall a huge campaign against ATI "driver sucks" threads on all the major forums that was speculated to be the direct result of Nv Focus Group(s). Just before the release of the 5000 series.


As it stands right now these parts are rumored to have:
Die sizes close to and exceed twice the size of 5700.
It will beat Nvidia at ray tracing.
Cost around less then $1000 or so.
PCIe 4.0 support

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I also recall a huge campaign against ATI "driver sucks" threads on all the major forums that was speculated to be the direct result of Nv Focus Group(s). Just before the release of the 5000 series.


As it stands right now these parts are rumored to have:
Die sizes close to and exceed twice the size of 5700.
It will beat Nvidia at ray tracing.
Cost around less then $1000 or so.
PCIe 4.0 support
Don't the little die navi cards already have two 8-pin power connectors? Double the die size and add VRAM to it that's gonna be one hot and power hungry GPU


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AMD’s Navi will be a traditional monolithic GPU, not a multi-chip module


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Contrary to what most of us in the tech press had hoped, the next-gen AMD Navi graphics cards will use a familiar monolithic GPU design as opposed to the multi-chip layout we’d hoped might deliver an efficient high-end gaming card.

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we recently spoke with David Wang, the new SVP of engineering for AMD’s Radeon Technologies Group (RTG), and there’s pretty much zero chance that’s going to be worked into next year’s Navi GPUs.

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The problem is that, especially in the gaming world, the software isn’t there to make such a discrete graphics card design worthwhile. For CPUs the infrastructure is already there, baked into the OS, to allow for multiple chips to function invisibly, such as with Ryzen’s discrete CCX design.

That infrastructure doesn’t exist with graphics cards outside of CrossFire and Nvidia’s SLI.


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“To some extent you’re talking about doing CrossFire on a single package,” says Wang. “The challenge is that unless we make it invisible to the ISVs [independent software vendors] you’re going to see the same sort of reluctance.


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But realistically it’s more of a software problem than a hardware one. The Infinity Fabric interconnect should be able to provide an interface that is wide enough, and high-speed enough to deal with the communication to make is look and feel like one chip, but getting the OS and the applications to see it that way is a lot tougher.
So the rumors might be true they simply will go with a huge die until they come out with the next version of gpus which might be multi die like Ryzen. By then MS might have it's act together to provide the software needed to do this with without crossfire.

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Don't the little die navi cards already have two 8-pin power connectors? Double the die size and add VRAM to it that's gonna be one hot and power hungry GPU
The reference cards are confirmed to have 8+6 pin connectors.
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The reference cards are confirmed to have 8+6 pin connectors.
Good to know.

Personally, I don't really care, I got a 1500 watt PSU and would put water blocks on so meh.

Looks good though, if the 5900X (guessing the 5950X is a dual GPU) is a strong overclocker and the rumors are true, I may well be coaxed out of my holding pattern on upgrades.


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