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Oh interesting. Power consumption is a bit better than I thought. I mean it is still only just roughly as good as the 12nm Nvidia parts, but much better than 7nm Vega.

Performance is as expected and as we have seen in the AMD slides. Competitive with the old 2070 and the new 2060 Super but nothing to be really excited about.

Will wait for other reviews to see about those power consumption numbers and more benchmarks. A couple of games and synthetic benchmarks are not enough.

But from what I see here these looks like nice cards for gamers, but sadly the price carries an unwarranted premium.



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Basically the markets still incredibly bad, the lower mid range is a dead segment and if you want the best price/performance you have to buy a $450 GPU, and at that point it isnt even worth saving that $50 you may as well have the raytracing just for the hell of it. And still no god damn HDMI 2.1 for f*** sake ***** *** **** ****** *****

I thought the amount I spent on this 1080ti was really dumb, but how on earth could anyone ever justify $400 for lower mid range cards?
If the compute performance is good then it has professional (non-viewport) applications. You see this in the RTX mining , OTOY Octane (ray tracing) & render, finance, deep learning performance. Pro-grade viewport performance is super gimped on Nvidia cards except when DirectX is used.

https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pa...-compute&num=1

Some workloads don't scale well beyond GTX 1660 ti level: https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Metashape-1-5-1-NVIDIA-GeForce-Titan-and-AMD-Radeon-Performance-Comparison-1472/ , https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/ar...mparison-1473/


RTX boost in Octane render ~3x: https://www.pugetsystems.com/blog/20...-Preview-1361/



To buy these for gaming it is pretty insane though, you're footing the bill for tensor cores & concurrent float+int or 7nm & RDNA architecture respectively. OpenCL performance on the new AMD cards should be interesting but probably not enough to make them worthwhile even in compute. https://www.notebookcheck.net/RTX-20....426879.0.html
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They actually seem quite competitive, even with the super cards, considering they're less power hungry and cost a little bit less. I'm actually impressed, if true. Especially since apparently these are also 'early' drivers.
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It's more a 2070 Super advertisement


edit: are we looking at the same review? If you're agnostic to either brand, the RX 5700 is the same performance as RTX 2060 Super more or less, but comes with a blower and doesn't have tensor cores.


And no one cares about Ray Tracing. No one that plays competitively will use ray tracing in any format as long as it murders framerates like it does right now.

Besides that, why is it that when AMD produces something competitive and releases their mid-range offerings that no one seems to care, even when it's clearly the better buy at the same price?

How long has it been since AMD was the go-to brand for GPUs? 8 years? 10?

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And no one cares about Ray Tracing. No one that plays competitively will use ray tracing in any format as long as it murders framerates like it does right now.

Besides that, why is it that when AMD produces something competitive and releases their mid-range offerings that no one seems to care, even when it's clearly the better buy at the same price?

How long has it been since AMD was the go-to brand for GPUs? 8 years? 10?



I'll be honest, I'll be buying a 2060 Super, even if the 5700 non-XT is cheaper and better.



And why, you may ask? My answer is because I have a SFF case ready to build and there won't be any small sized 5700 model for sale at launch. Even Vega that was launched some time ago, only had ONE ITX model until now, and it had minimal production, sold out faster than the speed of light, and was a LOT more expensive.


As much as I would like to buy a Navi on launch, I just can't. Meanwhile, not only the 2060 Super reference fits in my case, I'll also have more options from third parties.
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If you mean in the long term , R300/R350 (9700 Pro time) and HD4000 series / HD 5000 series against Nvidia Fermi. AMD was sort of in a bad place when the Nvidia 8000 series was out.

Articles titled similar to :

* ATI Radeon 9700 Pro - Delivering as Promised (Anandtech)
* HardOCP 9700 Pro review
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The ATi Radeon 9700 Pro is the best video card we have ever laid our hands on. ATi is going to be first to market with some very impressive technology and the gamers are sure to take notice. I think the benchmarks at 4XAA/16XAF speak for themselves. The image quality is nothing less than beautiful in both 2D and 3D.
* The King is dead! Long live the King! How's this for a plot-twist? The challenger Radeon - a real "Performeron" - has actually done it and usurped the throne from the former king! ATi has earned itself not only the performance crown in gaming environments, but also that of the technology leader! - Toms hardware, 9700 Pro review
* Review: ATi Radeon 9700 Pro (HEXUS)
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If you were to ask me, a casual gamer, what it is that I look for in a high-end graphics card, phrases such as "fantastic 2D quality", "stability", "future-proofing", "outstanding performance" would spring to mind. On these counts, and several more, the Radeon 9700 Pro delivers, and delivers in spades.


The on-line hardware community knew that the R9700 would be good, I'm pretty sure they're surprised just how good it is. Our overclocking efforts topped-out at around 355MHz core. We've seen reports of other branded Radeon 9700s hitting 400MHz core with slightly enhanced cooling. I'm pretty sure we'll see a R9700 SE in the not too distant future, especially as the VPU can take the faster DDR-II memory. Anyone for a 450MHz core / 1GHz memory R9700 ?.
ATi have perhaps taken a leaf from NVIDIA's book by contracting out production to a number of other companies. This should ensure healthy competition amongst manufacturers and keep prices relatively low. I've already seen the ATi, Sapphire, Powercolor, and Connect3D brands on sale in the U.K.
I've sung the praises of the R9700, as it's exceeded my expectations. I thought I was quite happy with a Ti 4600 until I used a R9700. The Ti 4600 now makes for a nice paperweight.
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* The Radeon HD 4850 & 4870: AMD Wins at $199 and $299 (Anandtech)

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* " AMD definitely surprised me, and pretty much everybody else with their new products. I neither expected such a big performance increase, nor many of the other new features that AMD has put in their card." - HD5870 review at Techpowerup

*"AMD has done it again. After delivering an amazing product in the HD 5870 last week, this week they rolled out an even better one in HD 5850. While the card does offer about 15% less performance, it is also 40% cheaper." - Techpowerup

When NVidia had Fermi "toasters" and Kepler was way weaker compute-wise except for the Titan GK110, AMD had a decent shot. It's gone downhill since Maxwell since Hawaii was much more power , Tonga was more or less Tahiti refined, Fury (Fiji) had low amounts of VRAM and was power hungry as well. Maxwell had not much FP64 compute to speak of which is where a lot of power savings came from.

Polaris was hurt by the mining boom but it's probably AMD's most competitive chip. With Pascal the async compute was made much stronger so AMD's compute advantage and DX12 advantage was diminished but Polaris competed with GTX 1060 quite well (at least up until the RX 590 pricing disaster).


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I'll be honest, I'll be buying a 2060 Super, even if the 5700 non-XT is cheaper and better.



And why, you may ask? My answer is because I have a SFF case ready to build and there won't be any small sized 5700 model for sale at launch. Even Vega that was launched some time ago, only had ONE ITX model until now, and it had minimal production, sold out faster than the speed of light, and was a LOT more expensive.


As much as I would like to buy a Navi on launch, I just can't. Meanwhile, not only the 2060 Super reference fits in my case, I'll also have more options from third parties.
Powercolor Vega 56 Red Dragon and Sapphire Vega 56 Pulse both used the Vega 56 Nano PCB layout

Bykski made a Vega 56 Nano Full coverage block. Not sure if one could mod a previous generation Nano or RX 480 cooler to work. But at this point is doesn't matter much.

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Well this is good -- the 5700 seems to compete with the Vega 64 whilst using a heap less power... probably my upgrade path, but I'm in no rush so might wait for prices to improve a bit, and I want a custom card too.

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They actually seem quite competitive, even with the super cards, considering they're less power hungry and cost a little bit less. I'm actually impressed, if true. Especially since apparently these are also 'early' drivers.

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