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I said they were competitive. Not that they were selling at great prices.
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power consumption is good on RX 5700 [same as RX 570]
and RX 570 XT is 1 watt less than RTX 2070 FE [13W under 2070S]

why would that matter on an overclocking forum
Because Nvidia 2nd refresh didn't curb stomp Radeon unannounced card.
LOL if this turns out to be real.
LOL
5700XT is a solid win and it ain't even the same chip on consoles yet.

This is going to draw attention with anyone with a 970, 980, 980 ti, 1060, 290, 480, 580, 590, fury, etc


Quote: Originally Posted by keikei View Post
Based on these small samples, the RX 5700 looks to be the better deal. Both cards handle 1440p solidly.
Agreed.
Yes, I also agree with the sentiment that the price could be lower. But, for a 1440p card I can't argue with the price. This isn't a 1080p card so I can't really suggest why I would want the price lower.

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I really don't get why some people are saying the 5700(XT) is already dead... I guess 5 fps is worth $50 to you... Not to me. As for RT... Unless you're not upgrading again in more than 5 years, RT is a moot point to choose your card. And even then, these will probably too slow for RT in the long run anyway. But to each his own.
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5700 series is looking to be a solid 1440p video card.

AMD, IMHO, is setting the frame work as follows:
1080, low end gamer
1440p, mid range gamer
4k, high end, niche, gamer
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Its decent but not earth shattering And NVIDIA super cards cards pretty much keep it neck and neck. When the consumer is left at a neck and neck decision NVIDIA will win, based off mindshare. AMD needs to win to get back in the game, they need a zen like moment.


Even as useless as RTX is its still there and a feature non the less, Something that the masses will flock to, And thus navi sales/marketshare will suffer


Only hope Is there some headroom in these for some overclocking, that will be AMD saving grace. If not they need to get the ball rolling on larger die NAVI chips ASAP while NVIDIA waits for 7nm
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Sure feels weird to have people yet again pushing the narrative that AMD has somehow failed by pushing out a competitive product in performance, price, and power draw.


But then, I'm sitting pretty on TU102, and looking at lower performance brackets is only an intellectual exercise at this point.

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I don't see any surprises there. The RadeonVii kills both RX cards in DirectX12 and probably will kill them in Vulkan. The VII also kills basically everything else on that list in [specifically]Blender last that I checked, which is important to me. On the NVIDIA side the RTX tensor/RT cores are still application specific, which is they are good for specific software but useless for the overwhelming majority of it. And since AMD decided just to match NVIDIA's pricing there isn't any real competition going on here. So I guess that you could go AMD to punish NVIDIA because they have done more heinky stuff recently than AMD, but neither company is really looking good right now.

Frankly I see zero reason to buy a heavy duty GPU this year unless you just have to buy something to buy something. I have a 1060GTX that is going into my upcoming Ryzen build for at least a couple of months. I'm thinking buying a decent 1440p 32in monitor in October and then the GPU in November just to try to maximize options.

I calculated the odds of this succeeding versus the odds I was doing something incredibly stupid... and I went ahead anyway.

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I really don't get why some people are saying the 5700(XT) is already dead... I guess 5 fps is worth $50 to you... Not to me. As for RT... Unless you're not upgrading again in more than 5 years, RT is a moot point to choose your card. And even then, these will probably too slow for RT in the long run anyway. But to each his own.
A non ray tracing card is going to have worse resale value in the near term and unless you want to deal with a blower the RX 5700 is NOT $50 cheaper.

The RTX 2070 aftermarket cards are being sold for around the price of a RX 5700 XT / RTX 2060 Super now. MSI RTX 2070 Gaming X (their top model) is $460 , Armor (with metal backplate and fan stop) is ~$430 , ASUS STRIX RTX 2070 ~$440.

RX 5700 has a better chance of buyers because of this, but the fact is that unless AMD can convince people to pay within 10% for their slower cards (relative to Super) that have less outright compute and no raytracing, I don't think it is a strong value proposition. When you have < 25% market share, pricing things the same within a few percent is not going to win marketshare whatsoever , it needs to be a more substantial > 15% (i.e. <$425 vs $500 , <$340 vs $400, or <$300 vs $350) especially when there is a feature difference. Maybe RTX will fall into history as PhysX and Nvidia 3d vision, but it is far to early to determine that and with Nvidia's large marketshare it's foolish to bet against them unless AMD has the backing of developers and Microsoft Windows for their alternative solution (Freesync won out not because of AMD but because panel manufacturers adopt open standards that cost them nothing , it's similar to VHS vs BetaMax).

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IMO if they really wanted to sell Navi cards there should have been <$430ish aftermarket RX 5700 XT cards and $330ish for RX 5700 aftermarket cards (i.e. $400 tops for the RX 5700 and ~$300 RX 5700) instead of $450 for a blower RX 5700XT and $380 for a blower RX 5700. RX 590 has already dropped from $280 to ~ $250 or less so a $300-330 RX 5700 card could have been possible since it would be quicker than GTX 1660 Ti (the price floor for a RX 5700, since that doesn't have RTX either).

Maybe they can peddle their anti-lag and FidelityFX more but it's an uphill battle. There's also the HDMI Freesync factor (Freesync TVs mainly).
If they priced it better RX 5700 would be the answer to people that want to pay GTX 1660 TI pricing for RTX 2060 Super performance sans tensor cores & RT cores, RX 5700 XT would be the answer as to RTX 2060 Super pricing for RTX 2070 Super performance.

Might I remind you that Nvidia is playing the game bundle trick with RTX 2070 cards. You get Wolfenstein with RTX 2060 and 2070.

There's still 3 days for them to roll in a game bundle , Ryzen CPU bundle, or some other consolation prize for people that buy these cards (especially the RX 5700 XT with Lisa Su's signature). I don't see why they couldn't have a Ryzen CPU bundle to make more sales honestly : RX 5700 XT + R9 3900X or RX 5700 + R7 3800X/R7 3700X (see https://www.amd.com/en/where-to-buy/combat-crate). A price cut on the other hand is going to look really bad for them.


edit: might be happening https://www.anandtech.com/show/14611...ryzen-products

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Because Nvidia 2nd refresh didn't curb stomp Radeon unannounced card.
LOL if this turns out to be real.
LOL
5700XT is a solid win and it ain't even the same chip on consoles yet.

This is going to draw attention with anyone with a 970, 980, 980 ti, 1060, 290, 480, 580, 590, fury, etc
This is a rare case where I'd much rather pay more for more. If AMD could release a 2080 Super caliber card for $700 then that would grab my attention. Yes 5700 XT is still an OK upgrade over a 980 Ti (probably ~30% faster than a 980 Ti @ 1500/8000), but it's not enough. Give me something that's 50% faster than a 1070 Ti at a reasonable price and I'll consider.

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Sure feels weird to have people yet again pushing the narrative that AMD has somehow failed by pushing out a competitive product in performance, price, and power draw.


But then, I'm sitting pretty on TU102, and looking at lower performance brackets is only an intellectual exercise at this point.
When you're just being "competitive" with garbage, that makes your product garbage too. I think people are more upset at AMD because after Turing it was hoped Navi not having RT would bring prices back to some kind of sanity, instead not only does it not have RT.. it pretty much costs the same in reality especially if you want to avoid the blower cooler so what's the point.

This whole generation is actually a write off. Too long since the previous architectures, not enough performance increase for severe price hikes.

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