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Not really, the 15% improvement isn't a shaft. It's more like nV$dia™ being nV$dia™.
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Don't the Super cards prove that the people who bought the first gen RTX cards for the DXR feature got royally shafted?
Why? Would you expect the card performance to last you for the next 20 years?
Each year your GPU is getting older and something else is coming out better. That is life.


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Guys you do not want AMD to price their GPUs too low because then they will never have enough money to make faster GPUs. The only reason you would price the GPUs low is to gain market share. We all know with Nvidia vs AMD is the mindshare is too strong. You got to gain the market with performance and quality products and not by slashing prices. People that buy 1050 Ti over RX 570 will never buy AMD and people that buy RX 570 over 1050 Ti really are extremely conscious buys and are not loyal to the brand plus make AMD no $.

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Guys you do not want AMD to price their GPUs too low because then they will never have enough money to make faster GPUs.

They somehow managed to make Zen after Bulldozer. And then they somehow also managed to price Zen very competitively.


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The only reason you would price the GPUs low is to gain market share.

Yes, indeed.


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We all know with Nvidia vs AMD is the mindshare is too strong. You got to gain the market with performance and quality products and not by slashing prices.

Isn't the Intel mindshare vs AMD just as strong if not stronger compared to Nvidia vs AMD?

Zen wouldn't exist and wouldn't be priced the way it was and is if what you said couldn't be overcome. You have to gain marketshare with decent performance, quality products and by slashing prices. You only don't have to slash prices if on your first try you manage to get best in class performance across the board to a degree that leaves your competitors in the dust. Zen was only good enough, so they had to slash prices.

The same logic should apply even more to Navi, but AMD tried to piggyback Navi to Zen 2's enthusiasm. They even tried to make price parity between the line-ups available on 7/7, with the $499 3900X on one side and the $499 RX 5700 XT Anniversary Edition on the other.


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People that buy 1050 Ti over RX 570 will never buy AMD and people that buy RX 570 over 1050 Ti really are extremely conscious buys and are not loyal to the brand plus make AMD no $.

Not this argument again. First of all, the RX 580 and 570 spent most of their useful market life hugely overpriced due to miners buying them all up. I still remember an RX 570 costing upwards of € 300. Now, after the mining boom went away and they are much cheaper, they are more than three years old by now and on their way out. People are looking at what's next.

Second, the 1050 Ti serves different purposes, it has half the TDP of the RX 570 and can be installed in OEM systems being fed only by the PCIe slot.



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Guys you do not want AMD to price their GPUs too low because then they will never have enough money to make faster GPUs. The only reason you would price the GPUs low is to gain market share. We all know with Nvidia vs AMD is the mindshare is too strong. You got to gain the market with performance and quality products and not by slashing prices. People that buy 1050 Ti over RX 570 will never buy AMD and people that buy RX 570 over 1050 Ti really are extremely conscious buys and are not loyal to the brand plus make AMD no $.
While I would agree with under normal circumstances, the only reason AMD would do this is because they anticipated NVIDIA ruining their launch with factory overclocked cards or price cuts. Remember the early rumors that said Navi would be super-cheap? This was the plan. Disappoint people initially so that NVIDIA shows it's hand, then play their good cards. AMD is so far behind NVIDIA that it took them a node shrink to catch NVIDIA in raw framerates when NVIDIA has portions of their GPU dedicated to ray tracing for crying out loud. NAVI is for the consoles, and we get a few versions of that just so that AMD can stay in the GPU market while they pummel Intel on the CPU side of things for the next 3-5 years until we get another CORE-like architecture that gives Intel back supreme dominance for another 10 years or so.

At ~$400, a 5700XT is looking like a better idea this year for me than a Radeon Vii because I'm only upgrading to 1440p instead of 4K. Especially if Saphire manages a factory overclock worth buying. Should pair well with the 3900X/ASUS Strix-F I'm saving for.

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PassMark - Radeon RX 5700 - Price performance comparison

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PassMark - Radeon RX 5700 - Price performance comparison

https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/g...X+5700&id=4107
lol 1060 3gb BEST card ever!

It's hard to take any results like that seriously when there's things like that
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Don't the Super cards prove that the people who bought the first gen RTX cards for the DXR feature got royally shafted?
I wouldn't say 'shafted', but definitely a bad investment in terms of RT. Although, it should've been clear if one did enough research. Dat first gen RTX lineup ran on pure hype no doubt...and it worked industry-wise. Based on some benches recently its still a work-in-progress.

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They somehow managed to make Zen after Bulldozer. And then they somehow also managed to price Zen very competitively.





Yes, indeed.





Isn't the Intel mindshare vs AMD just as strong if not stronger compared to Nvidia vs AMD?

Zen wouldn't exist and wouldn't be priced the way it was and is if what you said couldn't be overcome. You have to gain marketshare with decent performance, quality products and by slashing prices. You only don't have to slash prices if on your first try you manage to get best in class performance across the board to a degree that leaves your competitors in the dust. Zen was only good enough, so they had to slash prices.

The same logic should apply even more to Navi, but AMD tried to piggyback Navi to Zen 2's enthusiasm. They even tried to make price parity between the line-ups available on 7/7, with the $499 3900X on one side and the $499 RX 5700 XT Anniversary Edition on the other.





Not this argument again. First of all, the RX 580 and 570 spent most of their useful market life hugely overpriced due to miners buying them all up. I still remember an RX 570 costing upwards of € 300. Now, after the mining boom went away and they are much cheaper, they are more than three years old by now and on their way out. People are looking at what's next.

Second, the 1050 Ti serves different purposes, it has half the TDP of the RX 570 and can be installed in OEM systems being fed only by the PCIe slot.
Just the Zen argument. Intel has no advancement in CPU performance for a long time. I do believe Nvidia vs AMD mindshare is much stronger with current users, Intel mindshare is from 90s/2000s. There was also availability. When I go to local stores I can see Zen/Intel 50/50 and sometimes its 60/40 for Zen CPU/MB but GPU side is all Green. 80/20 for Nvidia.

RX 570 argument is the most valid thing because if people do not remember RX 470 was selling <$150 before mining craze because people were not buying them. AMD though sub $150-250 was the market with Raja at the helm, but clearly Nvidia showed its not $300-500 where you make the money.

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