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post #21 of 113 (permalink) Old 07-05-2019, 10:57 AM
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On one hand we have the scholars who want completely irrelevant and out of touch performance data.

On the other we have sane people who'd like actual, real life workloads results.
So you're saying there aren't anyone gaming @ 144+ Hz, really?

First and foremost CPU benchmark needs to test CPU, not GPU. Otherwise there's not that much point and validity to the test. And then we have a lot of people who desire high fps for their high Hz monitors AND televisions. 720p is just one way to really test CPU and to reflect actual usage scenarios where people target specific or as high as possible fps.

Obviously one way to achieve similar results would be using 1080p or 1440p with the LOWEST possible game settings instead of ultras, again creating a CPU dependent high FPS scenario.
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I'd like to say let's move passed the 720p dilemma/discussion.

But there's not much left to say other than lets see how other reviews pan out. The images look as though it was one part of a test that was a multiple part test of different resolutions/settings/etc.

We've got two days left and the NDA won't be a problem anymore. I'm as anxious as anyone because my wallet is fully prepped for this release. I still have very high hopes for the end results of multiple reviewers.

Motherboard manufacturers wouldn't have doubled down on creating these very expensive boards if it wasn't going to be worth it to them (low projected sales)

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2019 and people still defending 720p testing for highend CPU doesn't make sense for practical reasons.
1080p should be the minimum.

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If you are gaming at 60hz literally any CPU released in the last decade will probably be fine. There is almost 0 point in comparing a bunch of games at 1440p or 4k maxed settings with different CPU's just to find out that they have a variance of 5 FPS from top to bottom of the stack.
Oh, there are plenty of reasons to compare them. Mainly minimums, 1% and 5% worse/better frame times, total load and load across cores and also frame time graphs. All of these are far more interesting than 720p gaming tests.

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So you're saying there aren't anyone gaming @ 144+ Hz, really?
144+ Hz at 720p? I'm pretty sure I could count them with one hand. Worldwide. Not counting that Russian guy at the ISS.

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First and foremost CPU benchmark needs to test CPU, not GPU. Otherwise there's not that much point and validity to the test. And then we have a lot of people who desire high fps for their high Hz monitors AND televisions. 720p is just one way to really test CPU and to reflect actual usage scenarios where people target specific or as high as possible fps.

Obviously one way to achieve similar results would be using 1080p or 1440p with the LOWEST possible game settings instead of ultras, again creating a CPU dependent high FPS scenario.
There are more metrics than minimums and average FPS which are far more interesting than this 720p HFR nonsense. I, for once, will be waiting for the Digital Foundry review. Really liked the way they present data.

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Didn't this website also sign Nvidia's NDA 2.0? In any case this review is completely useless. No one in their right mind is going to try to extrapolate 720p results for those who have monitors at 1080p, 1440p and 4K, for example.

If they want to include 720p they also have to include higher resolutions so you can reference the difference. As their results typically won't coincide with other reviews.
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This all comes off as a "hit piece" leak article
Why is creating a CPU bound scenario so hard for people to understand. This is honestly blowing my mind.

The 720p results show exactly what the CPU is capable of producing in terms of FPS on that given game/engine. It is not difficult to extrapolate.

By referencing GPU results from Rise of the Tomb Raider and pairing with the data from the 720p results of this leak, I could make you very accurate fake graphs that would be within like 5% of reality (given that the same parts of the game were benchmarked). For example, in Guru3d's 2080ti review, the 2080ti was capable of 81 fps at 4k max settings in rise of the tomb raider. Guess what the CPU graph would look like at 4k for this game? Hint: There would be a lot of results around 80fps lol.

The 720p results matter because it gives you the info you need to make an informed choice about purchasing a GPU and Monitor. If a CPU is only managing 140 fps at 720p and you are buying a GPU capable of 250 fps at 1080p, then you either need a faster CPU or you can buy a cheaper GPU because your FPS isn't going higher than 140 at any resolution... and there would be almost no point in buying a 240hz monitor over a 144hz monitor.

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I'm okay with what I'm seeing. As far as I can tell, the scores were obtained only at 3.8ghz for the 3900x.

If that's the case, then the 15% IPC uplift means it's operating at an effective 4.35GHz roughly compared to previous gen chips? HMM...

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Why is the 8600K faster than 9600K? Looks like a mistake. I'll wait for proper reviews.
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I'm no expert, but 720 benches are misleading in my opinion. I game at 3440x 1440 so the percentage variations in 720 are never realized at my resolution. Why pick 720...why not 360p or use Duke Nukem 3d?

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720P measures only the CPU. It basically eliminates the GPU from the equation. Back in the day when every gamed at 1024x768 and 1600x1200, all of the CPU reviews would use 640x480 or 800x600. However, I think reviews that ONLY do 720p are kinda useless, as at that point you're basically measuring how fast the CPU can execute the game engine's main thread. At higher resolutions, the CPU also starts getting busier doing other things - like issuing draw calls to the GPU, computing geometry, etc... I think these days, 1080p is a good balance between GPU use and CPU usage.
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2019 and people still defending 720p testing for highend CPU doesn't make sense for practical reasons.
1080p should be the minimum.
That's fine as long as it's tested with the lowest possible settings. The problem is that most reviewers only know how to write "max" and "ultra", while all other settings are left untested. Besides, lowest possible res with lowest possible settings would still be an interesting data point in itself.
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