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I post a variety of news. The only issue you have is with the Intel news I post. It clearly says it in the title the news is about Intel. If you do not want to read news about Intel do not click it.
Oh you mean like you did in the ryzen thread with intel? I guess if i go to a Ryzen review thread i should expect Intel fake news right?
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Thing is everyone keep complaining about intel changing many sockets, when they changed just as much as AMD but for some reason nobody ever complains about the same thing with AMD.

wut?

Intel had the 5775C, the 6700K, the 7700K, the 8700K, and the 9900K since 2015. 3 different sockets for 5 CPUs: 1150, 1151, 1151 v2.

AMD had the 1700, the 2700X, the 2400G, and the 3900X since 2015. 1 socket for 4 CPUS.

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Oh you mean like you did in the ryzen thread with intel? I guess if i go to a Ryzen review thread i should expect Intel fake news right?
https://www.overclock.net/forum/225-...l#post28033578
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wut?

Intel had the 5775C, the 6700K, the 7700K, the 8700K, and the 9900K since 2015. 3 different sockets for 5 CPUs: 1150, 1151, 1151 v2.

AMD had the 1700, the 2700X, the 2400G, and the 3900X since 2015. 1 socket for 4 CPUS.
1151 are all the same, limitations are another thing, and no AM4 is 2016, and i said 10 years, in that amount of time they had the same amount of sockets, 8xxx and 9xxx series work on the same socket, same for 6xxx and 7xxx, or to better say, motheboards, since the socket is the same, and it's only partially changed from 6-7 to 8-9 series
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1151 are all the same, limitations are another thing, and no AM4 is 2016, and i said 10 years, in that amount of time they had the same amount of sockets, 8xxx and 9xxx series work on the same socket, same for 6xxx and 7xxx.

I know, that's why I said 5 CPUs and 3 different sockets and not 5 different sockets.

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Not 100% confirmation, but ok, even if so the facts i said remain, whoever keeps complaining about intel's change of sockets, just don't know their facts, or are biased some way, AMD has had the same amount of sockets in the last 10 years, with the difference of having many less products.
Thing is everyone keep complaining about intel changing many sockets, when they changed just as much as AMD but for some reason nobody ever complains about the same thing with AMD.
Intel has had 5 sockets in 9 years.
AMD has had 3 sockets in 9 years, unless you want to count their low end platform s socket changes even though it is not the mainstream platform. The main issue is that the last socket, AM4, came out in 2016 and has been supported 3 years now and looking to support another year. Intel hasnt kept anything that long.


And this is looking extra far back just to get the socket count of both companies up. If we look in the last 5 years only:
Intel has had 3 sockets in the last 5 years (Z97 through 300 series)
AMD has had 1 socket


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Intel has had 5 sockets in 9 years.
AMD has had 3 sockets in 9 years, unless you want to count their low end platform s socket changes even though it is not the mainstream platform. The main issue is that the last socket, AM4, came out in 2016 and has been supported 3 years now and looking to support another year. Intel hasnt kept anything that long.


And this is looking extra far back just to get the socket count of both companies up. If we look in the last 5 years only:
Intel has had 3 sockets in the last 5 years (Z97 through 300 series)
AMD has had 1 socket
I count everything, and AMD has had FM2+ AM1 and AM3+ in the same period of 2/3 years. Look here. Everything included.

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This.

Intel fans are sooo thickheaded it's astounding.
You do realise I'm talking about the senseless blabbering of "Intel socket bad, AMD socket good" in this thread? It's mind boggling... it's ridiculous.


The cult-like fanaticism of AMD is growing disturbingly fast on OCN (and reddit) and genuinely makes me not want to even associate myself with PC enthusiasts more and more because of just how sheer toxic the 'fan base' is around them is becoming.

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Guess I might as well just sell my Z390/9700K combo now and go AM4. I'm really tired of the 2 year socket crap that Intel keeps pulling.
Sure, AMD's got a great track record there. I mean, they've had...

FM2+, which got Kaveri and Godavari/Kaveri refresh (Steamroller and Steamroller)
FM2, which got Trinity and Richland (Piledriver and Piledriver)
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AM1, which got Kabini. Didn't even get an update with Beema or Mullins. I think they added one new SKU at the top that was 50 or 150MHz faster lol

AM4 is NOT the norm. The only reason AMD's sockets appear to have better longevity is because of backwards/forward-compatibility during the AM2/2+/3/3+ era (fully dependent on BIOS and thus vendor support, incidentally) and because in recent years they stuck around so damn long because AMD didn't have any new processors. Seriously, Vishera on 990FX was AMD's de facto HEDT platform for FIVE YEARS. From 2012 until March 2017 when Ryzen replaced it (but even then not fully because it wasn't until later that we got Ryzen 3 to bury it at the same price). FM1 was just an embarrassment, to the point that AMD promised that the next-gen APU platform would get two releases... and it was Piledriver+TeraScale 3 followed by Piledriver+TeraScale 3 under a year later. And I've checked the docs I can find for all three platforms and I genuinely cannot figure out why compatibility was broken.

I'll also make the argument that offering backwards-compatibility with a motherboard is not a value-add. I am not buying X570 so I can use my shiny new Ryzen 7 1700 I grabbed off Ebay. However, I am buying a Ryzen 7 3700X so I can drop it in my old X370 motherboard. In a similar vein, I have no plans to drop an A10-5800K in my A88X motherboard because, well, Kaveri exists. But it sure would be neat if I could drop an A10-7850K in my A85X motherboard.

Oh and also keep in mind that AMD isn't officially supporting Matisse on A320. Did you build a budget APU system a couple years ago? Sorry, you need a new motherboard now! Yeah it's still AM4 but the CPU is unsupported for arbitrary reasons. Thanks to BIOS chip sizes, a lot of motherboards have just dropped support for Bristol Ridge as well. Sure, that's the old CPU/new motherboard combo that I just argued isn't a value-add, but it breaks compatibility. It throws a wrench in the "AMD is generous and does not make us buy new motherboards!" meme, but if you actually take a look at AMD's history, you'll realize that that's pretty typical.


Quote: Originally Posted by EniGma1987 View Post
Intel has had 5 sockets in 9 years.
AMD has had 3 sockets in 9 years, unless you want to count their low end platform s socket changes even though it is not the mainstream platform. The main issue is that the last socket, AM4, came out in 2016 and has been supported 3 years now and looking to support another year. Intel hasnt kept anything that long.


And this is looking extra far back just to get the socket count of both companies up. If we look in the last 5 years only:
Intel has had 3 sockets in the last 5 years (Z97 through 300 series)
AMD has had 1 socket
Instead of counting sockets, we can count microarchitectures.

AMD has had 8: K10, Bulldozer, Piledriver, Steamroller, Excavator, Zen, Zen+, and Zen 2
Intel has had 11: Nehalem, Westmere, Sandy Bridge, Ivy Bridge, Haswell, Broadwell, Skylake, Skylake-SP, Kaby Lake, Coffee Lake, and Cascade Lake

Intel has had more sockets because Intel has released more actually-new CPUs. AMD released a refresh of Vishera more than three years after its initial launch. This isn't like, I dunno, an i7-6700K to an i9-9900K where it's a similar core but larger. This is the exact same silicon but overclocked a little out of the box. The Internet would not shut up about it if Intel did this with Skylake today.

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