Unofficial AMD roadmaps 2019 to 2021 - Page 2 - Overclock.net - An Overclocking Community

Forum Jump: 

Unofficial AMD roadmaps 2019 to 2021

Reply
 
Thread Tools
post #11 of 33 (permalink) Old 07-10-2019, 09:14 PM
sudo apt install sl
 
WannaBeOCer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 4,936
Rep: 166 (Unique: 118)
Quote: Originally Posted by magnek View Post
Let me rephrase that: with the introduction of a $750 16-core part into the "mainstream" platform, AMD has effectively made the HEDT platform all but unnecessary except for those actually focused on "productivity" and "content creation", however you want to define those nebulous terms. It just feels... weird I guess? Almost as if AMD is saying "nonono please don't buy X599 unless you actually have a real need for MOAR COARZ (or just want to overcompensate), we already have a 16-core 3950X so please just focus on that please".
That is the direction it's going toward and I have no complaints. It saves everyone money.(for now)


https://www.anandtech.com/show/14579...ceo-dr-lisa-su

Quote:
Mark Hachman, PC World: There was no mention of Threadripper? Have you updated the roadmap?

Lisa Su: You know what’s interesting – some of these things that circulate, on the internet. I don’t think we ever said that Threadripper was not going to continue. It sort of took a life of its own on the internet. You will see more Threadrippers (plural) from us. You will definitely see more Threadrippers from us. Look, we love the high-end desktop market. We see both content creators as well as workstation needs, and Threadripper has done well. You will see more from us with Threadripper.

Silent
(20 items)
CPU
Core i9 9900K... CoffeeTime! @ 4.2Ghz w/ 1v
Motherboard
Maximus VIII Formula
GPU
Radeon VII @ 1900Mhz/1250Mhz w/ 1v
RAM
TeamGroup Xtreem 16GB 3866Mhz CL15
Hard Drive
Samsung 850 Evo 1TB
Hard Drive
Samsung 850 Evo 1TB
Hard Drive
Samsung 850 Evo 500GB
Power Supply
EVGA SuperNova 1200w P2
Cooling
EK Supremacy Full Copper Clean
Cooling
XSPC D5 Photon v2
Cooling
Black Ice Gen 2 GTX360 x2
Cooling
EK-Vector Radeon VII - Copper + Plexi
Case
Thermaltake Core X5 Tempered Glass Edition
Operating System
Clear Linux
Monitor
Acer XF270HUA
Keyboard
Cherry MX Board 6.0
Mouse
Logitech G600
Mouse
Alugraphics GamerArt
Audio
Definitive Technology Incline
Audio
SMSL M8A
▲ hide details ▲
WannaBeOCer is online now  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #12 of 33 (permalink) Old 07-10-2019, 09:21 PM
‾\_(ツ)_/‾
 
magnek's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Калифорния
Posts: 5,637
Rep: 478 (Unique: 192)
No complaints from me either since quad channel memory does jack all for most "normal" users, and you really don't need 66 PCIe lanes now that SLIFire is dead. Almost feels like AMD is trying to rebrand Threadripper as Epyc-lite, which is definitely a good thing for those who need the CPU power but don't want to/can't pay the prices.

- 4930K @ 4.5 GHz | Asus X79-Deluxe
- MSi 980 Ti Gaming @ 1500/8000
- 4x4 GB Dominator Platinum 2400 MHz
- 2x 850 Pro 2TB
- Seasonic PRIME Titanium 850W
- Phanteks Enthoo Primo
- Custom watercooling (420+360+240)
- XB270HU 27" 1440p 144Hz IPS
magnek is offline  
post #13 of 33 (permalink) Old 07-10-2019, 09:31 PM
PC Enthusiast
 
Ashura's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 708
Rep: 43 (Unique: 31)
Quote: Originally Posted by magnek View Post
Let me rephrase that: with the introduction of a $750 16-core part into the "mainstream" platform, AMD has effectively made the HEDT platform all but unnecessary except for those actually focused on "productivity" and "content creation", however you want to define those nebulous terms. It just feels... weird I guess? Almost as if AMD is saying "nonono please don't buy X599 unless you actually have a real need for MOAR COARZ (or just want to overcompensate), we already have a 16-core 3950X so please just focus on that please".





But still see my comment above.
Oh I wholeheartedly agree. AMD has raised the bar for desktops & gone HEDT for all!

A you mentioned, The market for threadripper would be very tiny. But that's how HEDT should be, not what Intel had with Haswell.

PolaRyz
(15 items)
Venomous FX
(14 items)
CPU
AMD Ryzen R7 1700x
Motherboard
Asus Crosshair VI Hero
GPU
Asus GTX 1060 6Gb
RAM
Hyper X Predator 3000Mhz 32gb
Hard Drive
Crucial MX100 256 GB
Hard Drive
Seagate ST1000DM003
Hard Drive
Toshiba DC01ACA300
Power Supply
SeaSonic S12G 750w 80+ Gold
Cooling
Phanteks TC14PE
Case
Phanteks Enthoo Pro
Operating System
Windows 10 Pro x64
Monitor
LG 23MP68VQ
Monitor
LG 23MP68VQ
Mouse
Logitech G402 Hyperion Fury
Mouse
Steelseries Qck Mass
CPU
AMD FX 8350
Motherboard
MSI 990FXA Gaming
GPU
XFX R9 290 DD
RAM
G.Skill RipjawsX 16GB [4x4GB] 1600MHz CL9 @1.5v
Hard Drive
Crucial MX100 256 GB
Hard Drive
Seagate ST1000DM003
Power Supply
SeaSonic S12G 750w 80+ Gold
Cooling
Phanteks TC14PE
Case
Phanteks Enthoo Pro
Operating System
Windows 10 Pro x64
Monitor
Dell ST2420L
Monitor
AOC e2243Fwk 21.5"
Mouse
Razer Deathadder Chroma
Mouse
SteelSeries QcK Mass
▲ hide details ▲
Ashura is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #14 of 33 (permalink) Old 07-10-2019, 11:49 PM
New to Overclock.net
 
guttheslayer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Posts: 3,644
Rep: 109 (Unique: 64)
Quote: Originally Posted by WannaBeOCer View Post
Hopefully this is true and ThreadRipper is still on track for Q4. I've been itching to upgrade my board.
I find it abit doubtful that TR3 will be released as a 64C/128T CPU, most likely that 64C variant is not coming in till TR4.


A 32/64C top end TR would be a very good spot between Ryzen and Eypc CPUs.

Quote: Originally Posted by magnek View Post
Let me rephrase that: with the introduction of a $750 16-core part into the "mainstream" platform, AMD has effectively made the HEDT platform all but unnecessary except for those actually focused on "productivity" and "content creation", however you want to define those nebulous terms. It just feels... weird I guess? Almost as if AMD is saying "nonono please don't buy X599 unless you actually have a real need for MOAR COARZ (or just want to overcompensate), we already have a 16-core 3950X so please just focus on that please".
I find it how funny back 6 mths ago, ppl were bashing me for overhyping a 16C AM4+ CPU coming from AMD. Now I bet they are extremely quiet for biting their own words.



The next generation Zen, in 2020, you should see the 12C and 16C variant falls to $329 & $499 respectively with faster boost clock (7nm+)


Last edited by guttheslayer; 07-10-2019 at 11:52 PM.
guttheslayer is offline  
post #15 of 33 (permalink) Old 07-11-2019, 12:13 AM
Performance is the bible
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 6,705
Rep: 436 (Unique: 300)
Quote: Originally Posted by ozlay View Post
Isn't 7nm+ smaller so they can fit more chiplets? 96c/192t?
Better manufacturing, not smaller size. Even at 7nm, 96 cores will make a huge chip. And the IO is still at 12nm (as of now).


Defoler is offline  
post #16 of 33 (permalink) Old 07-11-2019, 12:18 AM
‾\_(ツ)_/‾
 
magnek's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Калифорния
Posts: 5,637
Rep: 478 (Unique: 192)
Quote: Originally Posted by guttheslayer View Post
The next generation Zen, in 2020, you should see the 12C and 16C variant falls to $329 & $499 respectively with faster boost clock (7nm+)
I'd rather have an 8C actually do all core 4.7 boost for $329 instead of MOAR COARZ. But as 7mm matures and AMD eeks out even more IPC, I'm very hopeful Zen 3 will be the true Athlon 64 successor we've all been looking forward to and waited far too long for.

It's funny because I actually see parallels between the P4 Netbu(r)st vs Athlon XP/64 era and the 14nm++++ Endless Lake vs Ryzen era we have now. P4 was hot and power hungry from Williamette to Prescott (I think everybody called it PresHOT) while Intel chased that magical 4 GHz, and pushed TDPs of 115W on a single core CPU. They were well known to be furnace ovens and run hot and toasty.

Conversely AMD was matching or even exceeding Intel with their Athlon chips despite a 200-300 MHz speed deficit due to having superior IPC. And while they could also run hot, their TDPs were a lot more manageable, certainly none of the 100W+ shenanigans Intel put out. I see history is repeating itself in 2019.

- 4930K @ 4.5 GHz | Asus X79-Deluxe
- MSi 980 Ti Gaming @ 1500/8000
- 4x4 GB Dominator Platinum 2400 MHz
- 2x 850 Pro 2TB
- Seasonic PRIME Titanium 850W
- Phanteks Enthoo Primo
- Custom watercooling (420+360+240)
- XB270HU 27" 1440p 144Hz IPS

Last edited by magnek; 07-11-2019 at 12:28 AM.
magnek is offline  
post #17 of 33 (permalink) Old 07-11-2019, 12:30 AM
New to Overclock.net
 
Hwgeek's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2017
Posts: 533
Rep: 14 (Unique: 12)
AMD already confirmed 64C TR, listen carefully when they say "TR will go Up Up", every interview they are using "go UP UP" they mean go 48/64[up/up].
2 steps above 32C are 48C and 64C.
Quote:
Lisa Su: Threadripper is still an important step up. You will see future generations of Threadripper from us. Now obviously if mainstream is moving up, Threadripper is going to have to move up up.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/14579...ceo-dr-lisa-su
Hwgeek is offline  
post #18 of 33 (permalink) Old 07-11-2019, 01:36 AM
New to Overclock.net
 
guttheslayer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Posts: 3,644
Rep: 109 (Unique: 64)
Quote: Originally Posted by magnek View Post
I'd rather have an 8C actually do all core 4.7 boost for $329 instead of MOAR COARZ. But as 7mm matures and AMD eeks out even more IPC, I'm very hopeful Zen 3 will be the true Athlon 64 successor we've all been looking forward to and waited far too long for.
You are missing the point, having a $329 12C means AMD will push the lineup down by a stack, it means a 8C/16T will "downgrade" to a R5 and that is what we are hoping for, a $200+ 8C/16T that is clocked to 4.7G.

To have a gaming edge over current Intel offering, Zen 3 need to refine its latency between IF by another notch, and that is something i dont think we will see next year, aka refreshes.


And with regards to LISA comment, I think she might mean the next TR. Either way i think AMD will follow the footstep they have for TR1 and TR2, rather than go for double the cores this fast. We shall see.

guttheslayer is offline  
post #19 of 33 (permalink) Old 07-11-2019, 01:44 AM
New to Overclock.net
 
Hwgeek's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2017
Posts: 533
Rep: 14 (Unique: 12)
@guttheslayer
"Threadripper is going to have to move up up." quote is being used by all AMD's stuff, same words in PCWORLD Full nerd last week, it's like an hidden message they keep saying on purpose - not just Lisa.
Hwgeek is offline  
post #20 of 33 (permalink) Old 07-11-2019, 06:35 AM
New to Overclock.net
 
TheRacker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: California
Posts: 152
Rep: 7 (Unique: 7)
It's weird for me to think that we are going to start seeing cpu improvements every year again, I'd gotten so used to 5% bumps up to skylake and then skylake over and over again from Intel while AMD did nothing, and then first gen ryzen, while quite the accomplishment, didn't really push the performance ceiling anywhere. Super excited for Ryzen 4000 and beyond, I was afraid my only upgrade path was going to be another skylake chip.

TheRacker is offline  
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the Overclock.net - An Overclocking Community forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
User Name:
If you do not want to register, fill this field only and the name will be used as user name for your post.
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Password:
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.
Email Address:

Log-in



Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page


Forum Jump: 

Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off