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post #11 of 112 (permalink) Old 07-13-2019, 04:55 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjHV9LPxzTs Pretty sure that 2080Super won't even touch Big Navi, I am fully expecting it to topple the 2080Ti with ease, especially if a 40CU card at 2000+mhz can compete with a stock 2080 (In some games), than an 80+ CU card with RDNA 2.0, a proper ISA capable of utilizing Wave64, will continue to gain performance over driver maturation (ala GCN 1.0 on 7000 series) should be essentially double the perf of a stock 2080 (once drivers are ironed out, and optimizations are in place for games).

Modded power play tables and a 2000+mhz overclock on Navi 20, should put out some pretty impressive performance figures, I'm predicting.
Yeah... no.

The 5700 XT is in 2070 area if you look at the performance numbers without being biased to one side or the other, not 2080 domain.
The big navi will need to be 30%+ faster than the 5700 XT in order to even compete with the 2080 TI, let alone "topple the 2080TI with ease".

And when you compare 2000mhz OC, come on. OC the 2080 and beat the crap out of the 5700 XT right? Apples vs apples, the 2080 is faster overall than the 5700 XT.

80+ CU card does not and will not exist. AMD can right now even with navi not make it more than 64 CUs. And I expect they will reserve that for their professional cards as they have so far.


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Yeah... no.

The 5700 XT is in 2070 area if you look at the performance numbers without being biased to one side or the other, not 2080 domain.
The big navi will need to be 30%+ faster than the 5700 XT in order to even compete with the 2080 TI, let alone "topple the 2080TI with ease".

And when you compare 2000mhz OC, come on. OC the 2080 and beat the crap out of the 5700 XT right? Apples vs apples, the 2080 is faster overall than the 5700 XT.

80+ CU card does not and will not exist. AMD can right now even with navi not make it more than 64 CUs. And I expect they will reserve that for their professional cards as they have so far.
Navi doesn't have the same CU limitation that GCN had, word is they can and will make a 80+ CU card, I do not see why this couldn't be the case, the only thing that will limit something like that is power usage targets.

Also the fact you are missing with the overclocked 5700XT matching the 2080 at stock is that the 5700XT is a 2560sp card and a 2080 is a 2944sp card (and lets not forget the pricing difference between the two of them either, in Australia, the cheapest 5700XT goes for $629AUD and the cheapest 2080 is $1049AUD, and the cheapest 2070 Super is $929) its besting a 384sp gap with immature drivers (Turing has had 10 months of driver optimizations thus far, and Nvidia's cards generally come out of the gate with most of their performance on tap anyhow).

Lets for a moment entertain your idea, that Navi has the same limitations as GCN (even though it has been designed from the ground up to alleviate all of GCN's short-comings..), a 64CU card will still be at or above 2080Ti levels of perf, if a card with 24 less CU's is at stock 2080 levels already...just going from a 64CU Vega64 to a 60CU Radeon VII already nets a 30% perf increase, and that isn't with overclocking the two (People are getting the VII to 2200Mhz+ with power play table mods, and I know that was an apples to oranges comparison, but it goes to show what should happen with a proper ISA for Navi, and 24 more CU's), so I think a 64CU RDNA 2.0 card with unlocked power play tables should easily best a 5700XT by 30% (especially with factors like Wave64 coming into play when new consoles release and games are specifically coded for it, and just driver maturation in general).

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Quote: Originally Posted by GHADthc View Post
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjHV9LPxzTs Pretty sure that 2080Super won't even touch Big Navi, I am fully expecting it to topple the 2080Ti with ease, especially if a 40CU card at 2000+mhz can compete with a stock 2080 (In some games), than an 80+ CU card with RDNA 2.0, a proper ISA capable of utilizing Wave64, will continue to gain performance over driver maturation (ala GCN 1.0 on 7000 series) should be essentially double the perf of a stock 2080 (once drivers are ironed out, and optimizations are in place for games).

Modded power play tables and a 2000+mhz overclock on Navi 20, should put out some pretty impressive performance figures, I'm predicting.
If the 40CU card is drawing over 200w, I don't see how they can do an 80CU part with less than 350w, which would be obscene. Maybe RDNA 2.0 has massive efficiency gains, but I don't see that happening.

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If the 40CU card is drawing over 200w, I don't see how they can do an 80CU part with less than 350w, which would be obscene. Maybe RDNA 2.0 has massive efficiency gains, but I don't see that happening.
As I said in my last post, the only thing holding them back from the possibility of a 80+CU card is power draw (And heat as a result).

A 2100Mhz 5700XT pulls 230W under full load, so Yes, an 80CU card would not be clocked anywhere near 2000mhz out of the box, but with power play table mods, it could do 2000+ on the core, and draw over 400W easily (Which I couldn't give a crap about, why do enthusiasts buy 1000W+ psu's? Why do PSU's of that output even exist if everyone is apparently so concerned with power draw? Yes I realize that a card pulling 400W is going to pump out a lot of heat, but there is AIO's or custom waterblocks for that issue, my friends Vega 64 LC puts out some serious heat for its performance level, but there are plenty of people that are perfectly happy with that, my old 290X's used to pull nearly 500W each with flashed custom bios's, and put out a tonne of heat, but I couldn't care less, they were water blocked, quiet, and performed impressively at the time).

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Also the fact you are missing with the overclocked 5700XT matching the 2080 at stock
Links? Proof?

The 5700XT on average hovers between a 2070 and 2070 Super. Especially as you go up in resolution this becomes more apparent.

Sure if you choose certain games it looks great, just like the liquid cooled stock V64 sits between a 1080ti and 2080 at 1440p on Forza Horizon 4.

https://www.techspot.com/review/1716...pu-benchmarks/

Does this make my oc'ed V64 (which is faster then the stock liquid cooled card) suddenly match a 2080 too? We all know the answer on that.


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Quote: Originally Posted by SoloCamo View Post
Links? Proof?

The 5700XT on average hovers between a 2070 and 2070 Super. Especially as you go up in resolution this becomes more apparent.

Sure if you choose certain games it looks great, just like the liquid cooled stock V64 sits between a 1080ti and 2080 at 1440p on Forza Horizon 4.

https://www.techspot.com/review/1716...pu-benchmarks/

Does this make my oc'ed V64 (which is faster then the stock liquid cooled card) suddenly match a 2080 too? We all know the answer on that.
It's almost as if I provided a link and proof in my first post...oh wait!

Edit: I also like how you miss-quoted what I said, to completely skew the context of what I was saying, I actually said "especially if a 40CU card at 2000+mhz can compete with a stock 2080 (In some games)" notice the bracketed part?

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Not rumor. Stock is sold out and is not being replaced. Newegg.ca and Amazon.ca for instance are now all sold out. AIB pics of the cards along with Auto Notify buttons being phased out. AMDs web page had since run out a few months back and not even featured there.

EOL in preparation for Navi 20 (at reasonable prices ok AMD).

True. Vega VII lasted about 7 months, just enough till Navi launch. 5600 info has been recently leaked. I expect 5900 incoming.

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As 5700XT matures it will rival 2080 Ti? If so I can still return my 2080 Ti and buy 5700XT, I can get a a lot of money back... My wallet is still hurting.

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As 5700XT matures it will rival 2080 Ti? If so I can still return my 2080 Ti and buy 5700XT, I can get a a lot of money back... My wallet is still hurting.
What is it with peoples inability to display actual reading comprehension...re-read what I said, take your green-goblin googles off of your stupid head, it might help....

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