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When looking at a specialty cpu like in this case, is it safe to assume that the base clock is the max frequency for stressed across all threads and the boost frequency is single threaded?
Unsure, I think an 8c/16t part on 7nm would have little problem maintaining 3.2Ghz boosted on all cores, probably would only use 25 watts at that low of a clockspeed.

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post #12 of 28 (permalink) Old 07-24-2019, 01:31 PM
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When looking at a specialty cpu like in this case, is it safe to assume that the base clock is the max frequency for stressed across all threads and the boost frequency is single threaded?
My bet is that it will mostly do the same thing as windows, and just dynamically clock cores based on load, power, and heat.

A console has a limited power budget and cooling capacity. The first iteration of the console will probably be about 125 watts total system draw, which means that CPU/APU has to fit comfortably inside 95 watts or so peak. With eight ryzen cores you can pretty easily shoot that budget running an all core load; especially if you add a GPU load on top of that.

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Unsure, I think an 8c/16t part on 7nm would have little problem maintaining 3.2Ghz boosted on all cores, probably would only use 25 watts at that low of a clockspeed.
I'm not so sure about that. Ryzen 2 consumer parts aren't clocked that much higher, and they easily push past 95 watts under a heavy load without adding in the power draw of the igpu.
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My bet is that it will mostly do the same thing as windows, and just dynamically clock cores based on load, power, and heat.

A console has a limited power budget and cooling capacity. The first iteration of the console will probably be about 125 watts total system draw, which means that CPU/APU has to fit comfortably inside 95 watts or so peak. With eight ryzen cores you can pretty easily shoot that budget running an all core load; especially if you add a GPU load on top of that.



I'm not so sure about that. Ryzen 2 consumer parts aren't clocked that much higher, and they easily push past 95 watts under a heavy load without adding in the power draw of the igpu.
They'll probably try to build the console around 225w as the goal. At least, that's what Sony had as a goal for the first PS4.

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too bad we won't be seeing this chip in a laptop.
if those consoles could be had for $500, a laptop with this chip should be less than $1000.
Not that many people want to carry around a laptop that heavy or loud. It's all about Ultrabooks ever since Intel created that form factor in 2011. If they do they'll buy a laptop with a discreet GPU since I'm sure the Turing mobile parts are quicker than the Navi iGPU in the xbox.

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Do you think there's some sort exclusivity deal with sony/ms? I thought we would've seen a big apu for the dt or laptop market well before now.
LOL.

They are custom designs made to order. So yes you could say there is an "exclusivity" deal haha.

AMD is damn slow releasing good APUs always 1 generation behind. Last time they even made a deal with Intel to make an APU and sold them their engineers along with it.

Laptops are very power constrained so they often get different parts although nowadays they get the low power desktop parts really. Just buy a 3400G laptop what's stopping you, they've been selling Ryzen CPU laptops a while now.
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LOL.

They are custom designs made to order. So yes you could say there is an "exclusivity" deal haha.

AMD is damn slow releasing good APUs always 1 generation behind. Last time they even made a deal with Intel to make an APU and sold them their engineers along with it.

Laptops are very power constrained so they often get different parts although nowadays they get the low power desktop parts really. Just buy a 3400G laptop what's stopping you, they've been selling Ryzen CPU laptops a while now.
Your post implies amd is a manufacturer and sony/ms own the ip? Amd own the ip so they could in theory make a similar apu and sell it if they wanted. What I mean is they havent released anything at all for the diy or even laptop market that might directly compete with the console apus.

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Your post implies amd is a manufacturer and sony/ms own the ip? Amd own the ip so they could in theory make a similar apu and sell it if they wanted. What I mean is they havent released anything at all for the diy or even laptop market that might directly compete with the console apus.
With Microsoft doing things like the DX12 Command Processor on Xbox One X, and now rumors of hardware accelerated Havok, I’d bet they do own the IP for at least some of the silicon.
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Your post implies amd is a manufacturer and sony/ms own the ip? Amd own the ip so they could in theory make a similar apu and sell it if they wanted. What I mean is they havent released anything at all for the diy or even laptop market that might directly compete with the console apus.
Do you think that selling a design and then using it yourself is a good business practice?

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Your post implies amd is a manufacturer and sony/ms own the ip? Amd own the ip so they could in theory make a similar apu and sell it if they wanted. What I mean is they havent released anything at all for the diy or even laptop market that might directly compete with the console apus.
Just a buy a console then and install different OS on it if you want that hardware.
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Your post implies amd is a manufacturer and sony/ms own the ip? Amd own the ip so they could in theory make a similar apu and sell it if they wanted. What I mean is they havent released anything at all for the diy or even laptop market that might directly compete with the console apus.
Laptops don't have a shared memory architecture CPU/GPU like the consoles where one uses GDDR memory and the other has some cache specialty thing.. and both have slower clocks and not based of Zen cores. I expect to see better laptop APUs using Zen 2 at the next release but I wouldn't expect them to have the same graphics power as the consoles.. mostly due to power limitations and market needs. If I want a gaming laptop I don't want an APU.
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