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post #11 of 66 (permalink) Old 07-27-2019, 10:58 PM
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Ah yes, as Intel has proven to be so very capable with every single other graphics product they've ever attempted.


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Shock and Awe Gentlemen.
They plan to Conroe the GPU market.
Anything less and NVIDIA & AMD fanboys will eat them alive.
conroe? like over in sugarland?

i r confused...

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conroe? like over in sugarland?

i r confused...

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Shock and Awe Gentlemen.
They plan to Conroe the GPU market.
Anything less and NVIDIA & AMD fanboys will eat them alive.
The big money is in the mid and lower part of the high range markets (1060 through 2080 and amd equivalents). While the top end has the highest margins, the middle on has the highest volume.
Even if they bring a 2080 TI competitive, unless it cost half, it won't be the big money maker and it won't eat up the GPU market.
But if they can bring a mid range GPU with lower price and high performance, that will allow them to eat up the majority of the market, and from there they can move on to the top end. This is also how AMD and nvidia releases if you look at their cards. They first go on the mid range market in terms of release volumes.


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The big money is in the mid and lower part of the high range markets (1060 through 2080 and amd equivalents). While the top end has the highest margins, the middle on has the highest volume.

Even if they bring a 2080 TI competitive, unless it cost half, it won't be the big money maker and it won't eat up the GPU market.

But if they can bring a mid range GPU with lower price and high performance, that will allow them to eat up the majority of the market, and from there they can move on to the top end. This is also how AMD and nvidia releases if you look at their cards. They first go on the mid range market in terms of release volumes.


That is what they did with Conroe when the Fx-52 and FX54 were chumps by a chip half the price. I am hopeful that we get some competition because I am disgusted at how we pay a thousand euros on a chip that is gimped by NVIDIA because of no competition. Make the 500 euro price range great again !


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That is what they did with Conroe when the Fx-52 and FX54 were chumps by a chip half the price. I am hopeful that we get some competition because I am disgusted at how we pay a thousand euros on a chip that is gimped by NVIDIA because of no competition. Make the 500 euro price range great again !


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I don't think nvidia GPUs are gimped. Unless you are saying that AMD cards are also gimped. After all, they could make a bigger core for navi right? it is planned for 2020.
So why are we paying 399$ for a gimped tiny 251mm2 core? After all, the 2060 super has a huge core (445mm2) in comparison, cost the same, and has very similar performance.
AMD must be overcharging us for such a small core right?

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Ah yes, as Intel has proven to be so very capable with every single other graphics product they've ever attempted.
Look at intel's 655 (their current biggest iGPU).
It has 6 ROPs. 384 shaders.
Now look at the 1050 max-q version. It has 16 ROPs and 640 shaders.
The 655 is about half the performance of the 1050 max-q. Which also correlates to its size as well.

Now considering the 655 is using the system memory and not a faster GDDR5X/GDDR6, but it is also has direct access to CPU and system memory, it can show that intel can potentially make a very strong GPU.

Using AMD patents (which they have a deal with), if intel are really serious, with their resources, it is possible.
Will they deliver, is another thing entirely.


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Quote: Originally Posted by Defoler View Post
I don't think nvidia GPUs are gimped. Unless you are saying that AMD cards are also gimped. After all, they could make a bigger core for navi right? it is planned for 2020.
So why are we paying 399$ for a gimped tiny 251mm2 core? After all, the 2060 super has a huge core (445mm2) in comparison, cost the same, and has very similar performance.
AMD must be overcharging us for such a small core right?
You can kind of treat the 2060 Super and 5600XT as being the same size because they are using two different TSMC processes for manufacturing. The 5700XT has a very similar amount of transistors as the 2060 Super. Both of those chips have around 10 billion transistors.

I got this from Wikipedia. It says 2060 Super is using TSMC 12nm and the chip has 10.8 billion transistors. And for the 5700 XT it's TSMC 7nm and the chip has 10.3 billion transistors.

I don't know what this means for the price. Maybe TSMC 12nm is cheap enough compared to TSMC 7nm so that you end up with the larger 2060 Super die being cheaper?
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isn't TSMC 7nm something like 4x the cost of 12nm? i haven't kept up, i just remember them prepping us for extreme gouging ahead of time with these final silicon process shrinks.

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isn't TSMC 7nm something like 4x the cost of 12nm? i haven't kept up, i just remember them prepping us for extreme gouging ahead of time with these final silicon process shrinks.
7nm is 2-2.5x the cost of 12nm, which falls in line with performance/density.

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You can kind of treat the 2060 Super and 5600XT as being the same size because they are using two different TSMC processes for manufacturing. The 5700XT has a very similar amount of transistors as the 2060 Super. Both of those chips have around 10 billion transistors.

I got this from Wikipedia. It says 2060 Super is using TSMC 12nm and the chip has 10.8 billion transistors. And for the 5700 XT it's TSMC 7nm and the chip has 10.3 billion transistors.

I don't know what this means for the price. Maybe TSMC 12nm is cheap enough compared to TSMC 7nm so that you end up with the larger 2060 Super die being cheaper?
But 7nm gives them more chips, and it is suppose to be cheaper overall. So why the price isn't lower?
12nm is actually less worth it. You get less chips per wafer and manufacturing overall cost the same.


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