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post #31 of 84 (permalink) Old 09-18-2019, 09:10 AM
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On AMD's Reddit they want you to vote on it.

https://www.feedback.amd.com/se/5A1E...df3c_326939553
As of now Integer Scaling and Image Sharpening have a substantial lead.

I actually want to try Integer Scaling for modern games rendered at 4K and upscaled to 8K.
Of course Checkerboarding is far preferred as a near functional equivalent to higher resolutions at much greater efficiency than native rendering, but Integer Scaling could still let me use higher hardware pixel density to solve some of the issues with raw native 4K while maintaining sharpness, unlike most Anti-Aliasing methods used today.
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It's more of a "Any PC company says something neutral, the community assumes either a positive or a negative and runs with it, then screams at the top of their lungs when their assumption is not accurate". Not to mention the whole red/green camp nonsense that infects rational.
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I don't get the defense of AMD on this one. They have released RIS for polaris but not vega. They skipped vega that simple. Did they say why they did it that way? Is the debate over "sometime" vs "never"? Really?

What is the rumor here? AMD having a response or lack thereof?

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I don't get the defense of AMD on this one. They have released RIS for polaris but not vega. They skipped vega that simple. Did they say why they did it that way? Is the debate over "sometime" vs "never"? Really?

What is the rumor here? AMD having a response or lack thereof?
someone clearly said they werent going to release it at the moment which is the same as the article implies

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Quote: Originally Posted by ILoveHighDPI View Post
As of now Integer Scaling and Image Sharpening have a substantial lead.

I actually want to try Integer Scaling for modern games rendered at 4K and upscaled to 8K.
Of course Checkerboarding is far preferred as a near functional equivalent to higher resolutions at much greater efficiency than native rendering, but Integer Scaling could still let me use higher hardware pixel density to solve some of the issues with raw native 4K while maintaining sharpness, unlike most Anti-Aliasing methods used today.
The last two surveys they did integer scaling won both of them. Instead of adding the support or say they are working on it they now add it again on this 3rd survey. I don't understand the purpose of these surveys if they aren't going to add features users vote on in the first place.

Edit: Integer scaling has been on their survey for quite some time now: https://community.amd.com/thread/238377

Why can't they be more like Intel's graphics team who listen when consumers want something?

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The last two surveys they did integer scaling won both of them. Instead of adding the support or say they are working on it they now add it again on this 3rd survey. I don't understand the purpose of these surveys if they aren't going to add features users vote on in the first place.

Edit: Integer scaling has been on their survey for quite some time now: https://community.amd.com/thread/238377

Why can't they be more like Intel's graphics team who listen when consumers want something?

https://www.techpowerup.com/256801/i...raphics-lineup
Intel and Nvidia, sometimes this makes me believe they brought up the lack of image sharpening on Vega to forget entirely of integer scaling, just releasing the (API ) RIS port for Vega and avoid to release integer scaling for longer
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I don't get the defense of AMD on this one. They have released RIS for polaris but not vega. They skipped vega that simple. Did they say why they did it that way? Is the debate over "sometime" vs "never"? Really?

What is the rumor here? AMD having a response or lack thereof?
It isn't a rumour.
Though AMD could kill your puppy and people here will try to defend AMD for doing it.

The fact that they decided to completely skip vega, and claim "we will listen" is basically their way of brushing it under the rug. If in a few months someone will ask them if they listened, they can just say "the community wasn't interested", and there you go, no need to to do. Problem solved.
As long as there is no backlash over it (because AMD fans will be willing to look the other way), they aren't going to do it.


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Quote: Originally Posted by dagget3450 View Post
I don't get the defense of AMD on this one. They have released RIS for polaris but not vega. They skipped vega that simple. Did they say why they did it that way? Is the debate over "sometime" vs "never"? Really?

What is the rumor here? AMD having a response or lack thereof?

I honestly don't understand it either. This is 100% not a rumour and it defies all logic to consider it as such. The title of the article is accurate and so is its content and so is the original source PCGamesN, if we are to believe their direct quote from AMD's response (see below), which at this point we should, it's been 8 days, if it were false AMD would have said so already.

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“AMD will gauge end user reception and demand for Radeon Image Sharpening,” says AMD in response to our questions about future Vega support, “and will consider adding support for additional Radeon RX graphics cards in the future.”

Fact 1: AMD releases RIS for Navi. Ok, new lineup, new feature, maybe it will be backported to other archs, maybe it's technically possible (without a substantial performance hit, that is), maybe it's not, but for now, fine.

Fact 2: AMD decides to backport RIS to Polaris, leaving people who actually paid more money for their Vega 56, 64 and VII out in the cold. Paint AMD's inner wants and plans however you want to, but it's a fact. Maybe in the future there will be support, but the title of the article is quite accurate, Vega owners as of right now are left out in the cold, they can't use the feature that older arch Polaris users can.


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I think if AMD ever gets back into the consumer GPU market, it will be after PS5 is released. AMD currently has it's eggs in the next gen console basket and they probably have no reason to help the PC gaming market right now since they stand to gain from future console sales all the more if people are running out of good options for GPUs on PC.

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