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What? Tensor cores are one thing, RT cores are another. The Tensor cores are needed for Nvidia's current ray tracing implementation to produce acceptable results, as they act as image denoisers for the RT cores' output.
Are they though? As far as I am aware they are the exact same modules but have different firmware to optimize them towards ray tracing.


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Gsync and Free Sync are separate, they're hardware things that don't have anything to do with rendering. Also, Nvidia kinda invented that whole trend since before Gsync there was nothing like it, so I have no issue with that.

But Nvidia did not invent ray tracing. Not only that, but it was already a standard feature of DX12. They had invested a lot into the tensor core design and it didn't work well as a GPU architecture, so they pawned it off onto gamers as RT cores for a high premium AND they tried to make RT, again something they in no way invented, a proprietary thing at the same time. It's just all around dirty the more I think about it.
You're right they didn't invent ray tracing but they did advance it. They also invented GIVoxels/VXGI voxel-based indirect illumination techniques.

https://research.nvidia.com/person/cyril-crassin

They created RT cores which accelerate BVH and Tensor cores which can be used for denoising. How does DxR utilize those cores? With enhanced DX12 libraries. Just like AMD's future DxR compatible cards will need to utilize the hardware they release.

The other method to accelerate BVH would be to increase current compute performance. We would need around 40TFlops of FP32 performance. Current generation flagship cards are around 15TFlops.

We've seen the current poor performance of Vega/Pascal.

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The only winning move is not to buy.

Still winning over here. During the summer I thought about buying one of the outgoing RTX 2070 models on discount, but ultimately they were still too expensive here in Europe. And now that Nvidia has in my opinion shot themselves in the foot in terms of mindshare with the Super lineup, I'm not inclined to buy anything at all until next summer. And by that I mean, for around 500 € now you only get a good quality x60 class card. That could have been an unforeseen consequence of their lineup milking strategy, but it just sends the wrong message in terms of what tier prices we should be paying in the next generation of cards, a message I'm definitely not willing to support.

An on a super sarcastic note I'll add that there's no amount of "free" games laden with obnoxious microtransactions, loot boxes and pay to win elements that can make up for it.



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Volts & Amps. Nvidia so clever when it comes to naming products.
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I do feel very fortunate to have jumped on the 1080Ti right when it came out. I can't remember a GPU staying that high-end for this long. If AMD and Intel really get their act together in the high-end, I think things will really get fun again. For now, I feel like what I have is more than enough to let me enjoy my casual gaming hobby without any annoying compromises. Anyone who feels the same about their card is in a good spot. We can wait. The days of 8800GTX levels of excitement are long gone anyway, so screw it.
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I do feel very fortunate to have jumped on the 1080Ti right when it came out. I can't remember a GPU staying that high-end for this long. If AMD and Intel really get their act together in the high-end, I think things will really get fun again. For now, I feel like what I have is more than enough to let me enjoy my casual gaming hobby without any annoying compromises. Anyone who feels the same about their card is in a good spot. We can wait. The days of 8800GTX levels of excitement are long gone anyway, so screw it.

I bought a 1080ti MSI duke= dukie same day 2080 was released. I paid $549 from newegg and got free shipping LOL. I'm glad I didn't buy the 2080, I was going to. I'm too cheap.


$1199.99 today same card. newegg prices are crazy...

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that's a pretty damn good price. reference was what like $649.99 MSRP?

they go used for $500 all day long still.

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I do feel very fortunate to have jumped on the 1080Ti right when it came out.
Me too. I bought the MSI GTX-1080Ti Gaming-X TRIO from a reviewer for a too good price and never looked back.
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Gsync and Free Sync are separate, they're hardware things that don't have anything to do with rendering. Also, Nvidia kinda invented that whole trend since before Gsync there was nothing like it, so I have no issue with that.
Not exactly accurate.
The "prime model" both are using is eDP. eDP support variable frequency on the laptops as standard (somewhere around 2008). It is a bit of a different hardware standard than DP (which it is based on), in order to support the sync between monitor and hardware gpu.
What nvidia did was implement it via dedicated hardware for complete integrity, and amd responded by pushing vesa to support it via standard, so they only need to write their stuff, and let monitor manufacturers to do the hard part.
So the first to bring it to the desktop where nvidia, but there was something even though most were just unaware of it.


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So the first to bring it to the desktop where nvidia, but there was something even though most were just unaware of it.
The bit Nvidia added was using it to sync with the game engine. The stuff in eDP was only used for power saving, where the screen would update slower when the image hadn't changed.

That AMD was able to use v-blank and software to enable effective variable sync connected to the game engine was very very cool, but I am not sure they would have even tried if it wasn't for G-sync. Now it is mainstream enough that my TV should support the same technique very soon.

If you are giving credit to eDP then you are not looking far enough back. The video transmission standards could have been used to implement a variable sync since the first large scale black and white TV broadcasts, assuming the right software was developed. All they are doing is extending the v-blank interval and if the screen can hold the image that is all you need to do.
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