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post #601 of 651 (permalink) Old 01-09-2020, 02:20 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by BigMack70 View Post
You appear not to understand my point. 1440p 60fps --> 1440p 120fps is literally the same jump as 4k 60fps --> 4k 120fps

The GTX 780 was about a 1440p60 card in 2013. Did better than 1440p60 in some games, couldn't quite hit it in others. In general, the 2080 Ti is the same - about a 4k60 card; hits 4k60 or better in most titles, doesn't get there in a few. And most likely the better analogue to the GTX 780 will be whatever comes out this year, since that puts it a few months before console launch just like the GTX 780, and Ampere should easily be 4k60 capable.
It doesn't work that way.

Per FPS requirements are different as resolution increases. For every additional fps @ 4k it requires more performance than every additional fps @ 2k; everytime you increase the resolution the steeper the requirement becomes on the hardware.

In order to hit these idealistic fps requirements at higher resolutions we would have to see the opposite of GPU performance trends. Currently the performance gap between top tier cards has reduced every generation since the 680. If we wanted 4k120 we would have to see the trend flip on it's head and need 200% performance increases, which WILL NOT HAPPEN.

Thus the end conclusion being it will take significantly longer to hit the same FPS leap you're speaking of.

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post #602 of 651 (permalink) Old 01-09-2020, 05:12 PM
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This guy has it 60-70fps. Around 80% scaling. Yeah, thats rough in terms of frame numbers, buts its not an easy game to run.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_p9ZgiQ2mA
that's also less than 10 days after release and that it is, thus why I used it as an example. Folks on truly top of the line sli 2080ti systems maintain at LEAST 60 on maxed, with others reporting/screen shotting 80s-90s.

if Bashaaa sees this he'll link his screenies.

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Quote: Originally Posted by rv8000 View Post
It doesn't work that way.
It absolutely works this way. Performance increases GPU to GPU are relative to the performance of the previous GPU, not to some arbitrary resolution or framerate numbers. We could be talking about 640x480 or 8k resolution; the trend is that doubling from 60 to 120fps at a given resolution in current titles takes 6-8 years.

Trends can change. But I think this trend will continue. And if the trend changes, it will have nothing to do with the fact that 4k is a higher resolution than 1440p.

--EDIT-- Also, I don't think you are understanding the jumps in GPU architecture performance correctly...

GTX 285 (big Tesla) --> GTX 580 (big Fermi) was about a 65% performance increase
GTX 580 --> GTX 780 Ti (big Kepler) was about a 65% performance improvement
780 Ti --> 980 Ti (big Maxwell) was about a 43% performance increase
980 Ti --> 1080 Ti (big Pascal) was around an 85% performance increase
1080 Ti --> 2080 Ti (big Turing) was about a 38% performance increase

This is reasonably consistent over time. Maxwell was a slightly smaller increase because it was on the same process node as Kepler. Turing was because of all the ray tracing hardware, and it was only kinda sorta on a new process.

If we average this all out, that's a 60% improvement per generation. That means that 2-3 generations after Ampere - my stated timeframe for when I expect 4k120 to be a thing - the GPUs will be 4-7x as powerful in terms of relative gaming performance compared to the 2080 Ti. It's very reasonable to assume that GPUs several times more powerful than what's available in consoles will be able to hit the standard target resolution of the generation (4k) at high framerate (120fps).


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And the GTX 580 was $550. Inflation is almost a non-factor. Value has gone down significantly since then. I blame a lack of high-end competition from AMD.

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And the GTX 580 was $550. Inflation is almost a non-factor. Value has gone down significantly since then. I blame a lack of high-end competition from AMD.
Obviously. Nvidia literally doubled their pricing across the entire product stack beginning with Kepler and the GTX 600 series, and (in part) because everyone in the tech industry fell over themselves to praise the GTX 680, they got away with it and so they've maintained that doubled pricing very consistently. My point is only about the performance, not the value or the merits of buying their high end cards or any of that.

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hopefully that 7nm shrink gives folks the perf they've been waiting for since 1080ti.

I may even go 2080ti>>3080>>3080ti, unless Titan comes along first. I haven't paid enough attention to the release cycle since keplar to guess.

I see Ampere 1.0 being the generation that really irons out the widescreen fad. 4K120 goodness @ decent settings isn't gonna kick off until 4 series at the earliest. Yes, you can do it now in 5+ year old titles, but not anywhere else. [email protected]+ is far more enjoyable than anything I was able to get 4K to do at native... minus the clarity, which all these sharpening tools make less important now.

& hell, we literally don't even have a true 4K120 card yet. 3070+ will probably be the first ones (i'd be surprised if NV puts it on the entire line)

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Quote: Originally Posted by skupples View Post
hopefully that 7nm shrink gives folks the perf they've been waiting for since 1080ti.

I may even go 2080ti>>3080>>3080ti, unless Titan comes along first. I haven't paid enough attention to the release cycle since keplar to guess.

I see Ampere 1.0 being the generation that really irons out the widescreen fad. 4K120 goodness @ decent settings isn't gonna kick off until 4 series at the earliest. Yes, you can do it now in 5+ year old titles, but not anywhere else. [email protected]+ is far more enjoyable than anything I was able to get 4K to do at native... minus the clarity, which all these sharpening tools make less important now.

& hell, we literally don't even have a true 4K120 card yet. 3070+ will probably be the first ones (i'd be surprised if NV puts it on the entire line)

I expect the same release date. Green can't milk us as gud this cycle. AMD will come out swing this summer.


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Like I said, let Market share decide.

JHH had his worth value drop by half in a matter of months. So let that continue. CEO who think like Elmy that is what happen to them lol.


All I can agree is $699-$799 for flagship card in mid-range die is going to stay. I am not so sure for the 3080 Ti if it does appear in 2021, it might be $1200, or it might be $700, all depend on competition from AMD at that point.



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3080ti is dropping end of 2020.

Sometime after September, bundled with CyberPunk 2077.

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Hum maybe a gpu that going to force me to upgrade my 2600k. Sold my 4790k because the 2600k perform almost the same lol

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