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it would be nice, for sure, but eventually they'd merge them together. Would there ever be a point where adding RT cores onto the board doesm't hamper "potential performance"? i have no clue.

What's the end game here? Eventually having a hybrid monster that can do both task sets equally well? Or will tensor cores take over the entire PCB space at some point in the future? I assume playing pre fully RT stuff would require emulation at that point? IDK, I missed out on most of the RT theory crafting stuff. Head in the sand FTW.
If you ask me, RT Cores in gaming card is analogs to DP unit in compute GPU. Just like you see any computation card like GV100 having DP units, RT cores will be present in most Geforce card now.


The problem is they need to make RT core smaller if you wanna fit more in, smaller as in more efficient in transistor usage. NV have place too much transistors per core to compute Ray tracing. Just 1 RTC alone add 30% space of the entire SMs (which has 64 CUDAs, etc)

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So while AMD is selling GPUs to Stadia, Nvidia wants their own cloud gaming service (it explains their recent purchase).

I don't get the Abbott and Costello routine? They both prefer selling their cards to cloud gaming rather than sell to individuals it seems. This will definitely have an impact on prices as competition for these cards will keep rising.

It's like they know that pretty soon all/most devs/publishers will be enticed to exclusively make their games available to cloud live services and nothing else. Look what Epic has been able to accomplish in such a short period.

Oh well, kids these days raised on nothing but black screens with self entitlement and an eagerness for instant gratification will be tempted by the low admission fee of these services as they continue to parasitically feed off their helpless parents.

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I'll admit I'm not well versed in the details of GPU construction to know what to think of this, is this an attempt to address the fact that you can only physically fit so much on one die?

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subscriptions are awesome for business continuity? who knew! All you've gotta do is think about it just a little. The income is much more "secure" and predictable.

and kids with no money tend to spend the most. i bet parents all over the world are living in subscription hell. "WE THOUGHT IT WOULD SAVE US MONEY IN THE LONG RUN!"

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subscriptions are awesome for business continuity? who knew! All you've gotta do is think about it just a little. The income is much more "secure" and predictable.

and kids with no money tend to spend the most. i bet parents all over the world are living in subscription hell. Not noticing $19.99 here, $7.99 there, so on and so on. All of a sudden you're spending vacation and TI tier money.

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"Hippity hoppity, GPU market is my property" - Nvidia

I'll admit I'm not well versed in the details of GPU construction to know what to think of this, is this an attempt to address the fact that you can only physically fit so much on one die?
As with CPUs, smaller GPU modules are going to help with yields. If you make 1 600mm2 monolithic die which turns out faulty, you can't use it at all. If you make 4 150mm2 modular dies that take up the same wafer space and one fails, you still have three useable dies.

It increases wafer yields and profit, and also reduces time to market. It complicates GPU design as you now need to use an interconnect to communicate between dies, but it's clearly coming to the point where it's worth the extra engineering complexity and interconnect cost from a business perspective to do this.

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"Hippity hoppity, GPU market is my property" - Nvidia

I'll admit I'm not well versed in the details of GPU construction to know what to think of this, is this an attempt to address the fact that you can only physically fit so much on one die?
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It increases wafer yields, profit and time to market. It complicates GPU design as you now need to use an interconnect to communicate between dies, but it's clearly coming to the point where it's worth the extra engineering complexity and interconnect cost from a business perspective to do this.
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