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[LTT]Ryzen 4000 is Coming!

Linus said they were due at Computex, but now moved to August/Sept

I hope the gaming performance beats 9th gen intel, then I'll get 1


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I doubt Ryzen 4000 will match 10th gen parts at 5.3ghz, but I think it will be very close. I expect intel's single thread margin to shrink from a maximum of about 20%, to a maximum of about 10%, while AMD's margin in multi threaded workloads will grow by at least 10%. Some rumours suggest that biggest gains will be in FPU workloads, which could be interesting for scientific applications in particular. Modeling and stuff.

Depends on clock speeds though. Rumors are that Ryzen 4000 is about 10% faster IPC. If they can add 300mhz of additional clock speed too (boost clocks) then performance will match or beat intel everywhere, but from what I have read increases in clock speed are likely on base clocks, rather than boost clocks, and likely to affect EPYC and thread ripper rather than consumer parts.

I have also heard more rumors about 8 cores per CCX. A 8 core, single CCX CPU would be great for gaming, but even if that is true, AMD hasn't released a single CCX quad core part yet, preferring to have two CCX with half the cores disabled. Consumer 8 core chips would likely be the same.

So it seems like a modest upgrade for consumer, but we will see.
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change title to "Ryzen 4000 is Coming September!"

Realistically, I'd end up buying amd products over intel. Intel may have the best performing CPU's out there but they're $1000+. AMD usually has the best price/performance cpu's in the $100-$300 range.

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I doubt Ryzen 4000 will match 10th gen parts at 5.3ghz, but I think it will be very close. I expect intel's single thread margin to shrink from a maximum of about 20%, to a maximum of about 10%, while AMD's margin in multi threaded workloads will grow by at least 10%. Some rumours suggest that biggest gains will be in FPU workloads, which could be interesting for scientific applications in particular. Modeling and stuff.

Depends on clock speeds though. Rumors are that Ryzen 4000 is about 10% faster IPC. If they can add 300mhz of additional clock speed too (boost clocks) then performance will match or beat intel everywhere, but from what I have read increases in clock speed are likely on base clocks, rather than boost clocks, and likely to affect EPYC and thread ripper rather than consumer parts.

I have also heard more rumors about 8 cores per CCX. A 8 core, single CCX CPU would be great for gaming, but even if that is true, AMD hasn't released a single CCX quad core part yet, preferring to have two CCX with half the cores disabled. Consumer 8 core chips would likely be the same.

So it seems like a modest upgrade for consumer, but we will see.
The 8-Core will beat Intel 10-Core. Also I was not aware that intel had 20% single-core advantage.

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The 8-Core will beat Intel 10-Core. Also I was not aware that intel had 20% single-core advantage.
20% in CSGO and Farcry 5 and that is about it. The 8 core will beat the 10 core in multithreaded workloads I think yes.
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I meant 9th gen intel, what I'm on without hyperthreading

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20% in CSGO and Farcry 5 and that is about it. The 8 core will beat the 10 core in multithreaded workloads I think yes.
Not CSGO. Farcry maybe.
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I doubt Ryzen 4000 will match 10th gen parts at 5.3ghz, but I think it will be very close. I expect intel's single thread margin to shrink from a maximum of about 20%, to a maximum of about 10%, while AMD's margin in multi threaded workloads will grow by at least 10%. Some rumours suggest that biggest gains will be in FPU workloads, which could be interesting for scientific applications in particular. Modeling and stuff.

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I have also heard more rumors about 8 cores per CCX. A 8 core, single CCX CPU would be great for gaming, but even if that is true, AMD hasn't released a single CCX quad core part yet, preferring to have two CCX with half the cores disabled. Consumer 8 core chips would likely be the same.

So it seems like a modest upgrade for consumer, but we will see.
20% faster single threaded? In what, AVX-512 instruction set applications?


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20% faster single threaded? In what, AVX-512 instruction set applications?
Just gaming, and only a handful of them.
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Hmm, I think Project Cars 2 have both pCars2AVX.exe and pCars2.exe if anyone is interested in testing. Not sure if both work though.
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