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post #21 of 111 (permalink) Old 05-13-2020, 03:16 AM
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I need the strongest single core performance I can get for 3D Vision sadly
but AMD chips has the same singel core performance.. only lack in memory latency..

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but AMD chips has the same singel core performance.. only lack in memory latency..
The only thing AMD has on Intel is core count and price.
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And multi threaded performance. And heat output. And cache. And including cooler with retail unlocked CPUs. And unlocked low end SKU's. And a mid range overclockable chipset. And long term AM4 compatibility. And..

I mean you can't just come in and say things that are only half true and expect to not get replies.

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10 cores on a single die running at 4.8Ghz+ is an achievement AMD will never be able to achieve.
Cool, cool...

Now name an application that uses more than 8 cores to justify the 10900K that AMD won't absolutely destroy them on regardless of clock speed.

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The only thing AMD has on Intel is core count and price.
And IPC, and IO, and features, and power consumption, their SMT design is better, everything else speed_demon said...

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Some sour grapes here, this was completely expected given the 10 cores and no node change. 9900KS was/is about the best that process can turn out, if you go beyond that there is crazy heat and power. At that point it no longer makes sense, @junglechocolate , while Intel may still has the clock speed advantage, AMD already has the IPC advantage. I don't think you'd be disappointed coming from a 930. The differences are marginal in real world applications, and in benchmarks Intel is already dead. The only reason someone could still recommend Intel is because of their advantage in gaming, they still hold that crown, for now, but its also marginal and highly depends on the game engine.

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The thing is Intel's gaming advantage really only manifests at 1080p and below. Even if the goal is high frame rate, 1440p is the minimum I'd go for if I were building a fresh rig now. The 3900x runs very well at 1440p/4k and it dominates the 9900k in multithreaded applications (let alone the closer priced 9700k).

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10900k is meh for 2020, maybe if it was april 2019. For 2020, interested in 3080ti if lives up to hype, paired with ryzen 4000 if mem latency/clock speed/gaming improves. Intel = snooze button until 2022.

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Quote: Originally Posted by braincracking View Post
Some sour grapes here, this was completely expected given the 10 cores and no node change. 9900KS was/is about the best that process can turn out, if you go beyond that there is crazy heat and power. At that point it no longer makes sense, @junglechocolate , while Intel may still has the clock speed advantage, AMD already has the IPC advantage. I don't think you'd be disappointed coming from a 930. The differences are marginal in real world applications, and in benchmarks Intel is already dead. The only reason someone could still recommend Intel is because of their advantage in gaming, they still hold that crown, for now, but its also marginal and highly depends on the game engine.
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The thing is Intel's gaming advantage really only manifests at 1080p and below. Even if the goal is high frame rate, 1440p is the minimum I'd go for if I were building a fresh rig now. The 3900x runs very well at 1440p/4k and it dominates the 9900k in multithreaded applications (let alone the closer priced 9700k).
@braincracking @qwertymac93 I game at 4K3D or tweak my settings so the resolution is just under 4k. 3840x1600. I would love nothing but to support AMD but 3D Vision has a bug where some games (like GTA V which I want to play) limits core count to 3 and doesn't even utilize all of the 3 cores to max. Because of this my GPU never hits 70% usage and I get frames in the 30s. Therefrore I need a STRONG gaming single core peformance.

If I didn't play 3D i wouldn't even be assed to look at Intel. at 4K, CPU almost makes no diffence. Even less so when its 3D which requires more gfx power. However due to that bug, I need CPU preformance to get as many frames as I can get

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but AMD chips has the same singel core performance.. only lack in memory latency..
Singlecore performance in Cinebench

Too bad Cinebench singlecore performance =/= gamingperformance

I'm hoping for VERY big cache (128GB+) and one CCX (16 core) for Ryzen 4000.

Right now memorylatency difference on my 3900x and 9900k is 63ns VS 37ns.

I want sub 30ns memorylatency on Ryzen 4000 LOL

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