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post #11 of 64 (permalink) Old 05-28-2020, 12:51 PM
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I'm wondering how long they've been planning to make this switch, and if the performance increases that have been rumored over Zen 3 are because it was moving to 5nm+ or not. Don't know much about node shrinking. What does moving to 5nm really do for Zen3? Other than power savings.
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sounds to good to be true

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Quote: Originally Posted by prznar1 View Post
Leave the zen 3 for a moment. What exacly is that 5nm+ node? Tsmc is know to name their nodes not quite true
TSMC bills it as +15% Better Performance at the same power, or 30% power savings at the same performance versus 7nm. A decent leap, but coupled with the 15-20% IPC improvement that's already coming with (Zen 3) Ryzen 4000, that would be an insane leap in expected performance.

I was always under the impression that AMD would offer a 20% performance improvement for Zen 3 and Zen 4 respectively, Zen 3 being a near-new architecture fixing many of Zen 2's flaws while adding IPC... and Zen 4 due to the 5nm Die shrink and a refinement (plus maybe DDR5).

I think this sounds plausible simply because AMD has continued to go above what has been expected of them in the last few years, but I'm not counting on it being true.

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Quote: Originally Posted by Buris View Post
TSMC bills it as +15% Better Performance at the same power, or 30% power savings at the same performance versus 7nm. A decent leap, but coupled with the 15-20% IPC improvement that's already coming with (Zen 3) Ryzen 4000, that would be an insane leap in expected performance.

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I think this sounds plausible simply because AMD has continued to go above what has been expected of them in the last few years, but I'm not counting on it being true.
Isn't it like 45% smaller too?

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Leave the zen 3 for a moment. What exacly is that 5nm+ node? Tsmc is know to name their nodes not quite true
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as to what they're doing... Always gotta remember. the goal here is making money, not chips.

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This sounds great. A modest clock speed boost in addition to IPC gains would make Zen 3 killer. Imagine eight and twelve core parts consistently boosting to 4.5ghz or more all core with a 20% better performance at the same clock speed.

Rocket Lake better be damn good.
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rocket lake sounds like the spot for fall trajectory. could be quite hit or miss!

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Zen 3 is probably done. No way it will be 5nm. 5nm is most likely Zen4 in 2022 once they go AM5.

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Quote: Originally Posted by ZealotKi11er View Post
Zen 3 is probably done. No way it will be 5nm. 5nm is most likely Zen4 in 2022 once they go AM5.
This would be my guess as well.
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