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[VC] Ryzen 4000 Rumored on 5nm+

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According to DigiTimes, AMD has changed the plans to introduce new architecture featuring Zen3 cores on a 7nm EUV fabrication node. The company is now rumored to launch Ryzen 4000 series on 5nm node (5nm+) instead.

The TSMC foundry has only begun mass production of 5nm wafers in April, with an enhanced 5nm+ node planned to enter production in Q4. This will allegedly affect plans for Ryzen 4000 launch, as AMD was initially targeting September/October, Digitimes reports.
Source: https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-ryze...-tsmc-5nm-node
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wait what? So Zen 3 is delayed cos they are changing from 7nm to 5nm+?

Is that why we get Ryzen 2 refreshed?


I am not too sure if I am happy about it, sound like AMD is slowly down for Intel to catch up lol.

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It might just be a 5nm i/o die? The current i/o die is 12nm. And if it was made smaller it might make space for more cores.


They should call the ryzen refresh chips zen 3. So that 4000 series is zen 4. It will make it less confusing in the long run.

Then the zen 5 could be all 5's. 5nm, PCIe 5.0, Ryzen 5000, AVX 512.

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It must be worth it. It would also ease up 7nm availability for the new consoles and maybe AMD GPUs worth getting.

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Quote: Originally Posted by ozlay View Post
It might just be a 5nm i/o die? The current i/o die is 7nm. And if it was made smaller it might make space for more cores.


They should call the ryzen refresh chips zen 3. So that 4000 series is zen 4. It will make it less confusing in the long run.

Then the zen 5 could be all 5's. 5nm, PCIe 5.0, Ryzen 5000, AVX 512.
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UPDATE: AMD CEO Lisa Su commented on the rumor during Bernstein’s “Annual Strategic Decision Conference”. She stated that new nodes usually start with mobile processors as these are easier to manufacture. She did not mention Zen3 when talking bout 5nm node, but she did mention Zen4 a few times. Source
To me that sounds like it's mostly debunked by their own update.

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I would think that if TSMC moves AMD to smaller nodes. It would benefit TSMC. Because eventually Intel would have to move to TSMC. Or get better...

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Quote: Originally Posted by ozlay View Post
It might just be a 5nm i/o die? The current i/o die is 7nm. And if it was made smaller it might make space for more cores.


They should call the ryzen refresh chips zen 3. So that 4000 series is zen 4. It will make it less confusing in the long run.

Then the zen 5 could be all 5's. 5nm, PCIe 5.0, Ryzen 5000, AVX 512.
Current I/O die is 12nm. I/O chips are almost always manufactured on old nodes, not leading edge.

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Leave the zen 3 for a moment. What exacly is that 5nm+ node? Tsmc is know to name their nodes not quite true

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