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post #11 of 22 (permalink) Old 06-01-2020, 08:02 PM
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These Ice Lake chips won't have competition for their use case. Maybe with Zen 3 or 4 AMD will finally add specialized instructions but until then nVidia and Intel are the way to go for AI. They go up to 38 cores while Cooper Lake goes up to 48 cores.

https://www.anandtech.com/show/14514...d-sunny-cove/5
The direction AI super clusters will go in terms of what algorithms they prioritize and what hardware they run on is not set in stone yet. The whole field, from an investment stand point, is still highly speculative. AMD is usually guilty of catching up to the market rather than leading it, so yeah Intel and Nvidia will probably be the winners with AI, but it isn't yet a forgone conclusion.

At any rate, AVX 512 is rumored for Zen 4 and big Navi has a bunch of compute features.
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Your opinion is wrong.

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+56% (15% IPC, 38 cores at unknown clocks) is not enough.

And by market share, Intel is still a vast majority for now. AMD has multiplied their server share several times over, but that are still around 5%.
Clearly consumer preference has shifted to AMD and assuming things continue at their current trajectories, AMD will overtake intel on that front eventually but with that said a lot could and likely will change before then.

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Clearly consumer preference has shifted to AMD and assuming things continue at their current trajectories, AMD will overtake intel on that front eventually but with that said a lot could and likely will change before then.
Agreed, but in terms of marketshare (even on desktop) and in performance specifically in servers, there is no "slight but defined" lead. It's a murder, on both sides.

Ice Lake's rumored 15% means nothing, as Zen 3 is currently rumored to be right around there or higher as well. Intel has nothing to bring to the table until they get on their 7nm node and get off Core, and AMD will be on TSMC's 5nm and a new arch by then as well. 2022 will be interesting, but for now, Intel does not compete.

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Quote: Originally Posted by KyadCK View Post
Agreed, but in terms of marketshare (even on desktop) and in performance specifically in servers, there is no "slight but defined" lead. It's a murder, on both sides.

Ice Lake's rumored 15% means nothing, as Zen 3 is currently rumored to be right around there or higher as well. Intel has nothing to bring to the table until they get on their 7nm node and get off Core, and AMD will be on TSMC's 5nm and a new arch by then as well. 2022 will be interesting, but for now, Intel does not compete.
Ice Lake's IPC isn't a rumor, it has already been confirmed by AnandTech being 18% faster than Skylake. Sure ignore the markets that benefit from AVX-512/Deep Learning boost and dcpmm. Ice Lake is going to have 60% faster deep learning training and inference performance than Skylake. Tiger Lake which uses Willow Cove cores next year will also get a large AI boost. The SLIDE hashing deep learning package will be compatible with PyTorch and TenorFlow during that time. Intel is going to be completely taking over the AI market.

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Ice Lake's IPC isn't a rumor, it has already been confirmed by AnandTech being 18% faster than Skylake. Sure ignore the markets that benefit from AVX-512/Deep Learning boost and dcpmm. Ice Lake is going to have 60% faster deep learning training and inference performance than Skylake. Tiger Lake which uses Willow Cove cores next year will also get a large AI boost. The SLIDE hashing deep learning package will be compatible with PyTorch and TenorFlow during that time. Intel is going to be completely taking over the AI market.
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The leader in AI hardware disagrees with your stance on CPUs based on recent actions. That really says it all.

I understand AI is important to you. Please in turn understand that AI is a <0.1% use case niche for CPUs, if it is even that high.

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Ring bus, not mesh.

The leader in AI hardware disagrees with your stance on CPUs based on recent actions. That really says it all.

I understand AI is important to you. Please in turn understand that AI is a <0.1% use case niche for CPUs, if it is even that high.
Love the fake statistics you come up with. CPU threads are much cheaper than GPUs which is why CPUs are often still used and thanks to Intel's AVX-512 and DL boost are now accelerated.

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Exciting. 24 cores at nearly 3ghz is getting close. Especially considering ice lake enjoys a ~15% higher IPC than skylake or Zen 2.

Even still, I think they will need to increase both base clocks and boost clocks a fair bit to compete with EPYC or even existing Xeon products. Ideally, double or more the cores at some point as well.

Zen 2 has a roughly 10-12% IPC lead over Skylake. If Ice Lake has a 15% IPC lead, it'll still come up short compared to Zen 3, which nets that level of increase over Zen 2.

Not saying this isn't good, but at this point anything regarding "Intel's 10nm Process" is a meme. They announced this node how far in the past and it's taken them until now to launch literally anything even remotely competitive? (If google hasn't failed me, they started working on 10nm back in 2013 for SSDs and, I think I read it right, chip production began in 2016.)

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Zen 2 has a roughly 10-12% IPC lead over Skylake. If Ice Lake has a 15% IPC lead, it'll still come up short compared to Zen 3, which nets that level of increase over Zen 2.

Not saying this isn't good, but at this point anything regarding "Intel's 10nm Process" is a meme. They announced this node how far in the past and it's taken them until now to launch literally anything even remotely competitive? (If google hasn't failed me, they started working on 10nm back in 2013 for SSDs and, I think I read it right, chip production began in 2016.)
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Not saying this isn't good, but at this point anything regarding "Intel's 10nm Process" is a meme. They announced this node how far in the past and it's taken them until now to launch literally anything even remotely competitive? (If google hasn't failed me, they started working on 10nm back in 2013 for SSDs and, I think I read it right, chip production began in 2016.)
After all the delays for Intel's 10nm it seems almost DOA. Competitors are ramping up EUV, wasn't 10nm a stopgap until they could move to EUV? I read Intel thinking about 2021 for the rollout of its EUV-based 7nm process?

The CPU landscape at the end of 2021/2022 is looking really good. AMD is kicking ass, and they look to continue the trend, but if Intel actually gets their EUV 7nm working well they could have a chance again.

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Intel is always DOA till they come out with something that is designed by Jim Keller.


A real CPU designed by him.

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