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Doesn't matter if 10% faster or 70% faster.

Price is all that matters to me.
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Quote: Originally Posted by keikei View Post
Looks to be the new Ti. 31% over FE does not a monster make.
Last time we had a die shrink the GTX 1080 was ~30% faster than the GTX 980 Ti.

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If this was 3080, its would amazing but Nvidia is not in that kind of business. I mean sure it can be 3080 that used to be a 2080 Ti in the past. It might cost between 700-1200.
I've been waiting for this topic to catch on.

It's not about NVIDIA being in any kind of business.

The best I can tell from leaks and industry sources:

1) NVIDIA was considering using Samsung as an industry partner for next-gen parts. They continued down this path until it became apparent that Samsung couldn't quite deliver what they were looking for.
2) While that was going on, AMD was in the process of rolling out multiple generations of GPUs on 7nm. At this point AMD has 7nm down to a science. (keep this in mind as we move forward).
3) NVIDIA finally decided, at minimum, to use TSMC 7nm for high end and possibly midrange parts. At this point they are behind schedule.
4) NVIDIA spends a ton of time and money porting their designs to TSMC 7nm. The results end up being somewhat underwhelming.

Yes, this is an engineering sample. Yes things could get better before launch. However, unless someone was testing a really OLD engineering sample, this is close to being representative of the final product. I've been predicting the top TI card to be 30% faster than the 2080ti, and thus far my predictions are looking like they are going to be pretty spot on TBH.

The reason I bring up AMD is that I know for a fact they've been able to hit 2.5 GHz boost clocks on an RDNA 2 part. I've also heard from a third party they may even be at 2.66 or 2.8 GHz for some of their silicon. A lot of this boils down to new power management features and to a lesser extent, other architectural improvements.

What I'm getting at is that NVIDIA slipped this gen. We'll see if they are able to recover, but it looks like AMD might be the one with the faster part this time around. That hasn't happened in a few years now, so it'll be nice.

One other juicy tidbit I hesitated bringing up: AMD apparently is working very hard at optimizing power consumption, including the ability to shut down multiple CUs and boost the remaining CUs to much higher clocks. Based on this information, 3 GHz+ or even 4 GHz+ from future GPUs (not Navi2X, however) are not out of the question.
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Quote: Originally Posted by doom26464 View Post
Doesn't matter if 10% faster or 70% faster.

Price is all that matters to me.
From what I understand, the top end 'ti' card is going to drop to $999 and some of the other cards are going to have minor changes in price, but don't expect much movement for most tiers unless AMD puts pricing pressure on NVIDIA. However, it should be noted that AMD isn't looking to sacrifice margins here. If they can deliver a faster product for a tad bit less money, they will, but don't expect substantial discounts from them either.
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One other thought I had:

From what I gather with the way AMD's ray tracing is set up, they have to go "wide" (more CUs and supporting silicon) to get more RT performance, so we may see wider, but slower (clock speed wise) GPUs at the top end. Indeed, the Xbox One vs. PS5 specs appear to confirm this: The Xbox One has a wider design, while the PS5 has a narrower design, but with higher clock speeds. For NVIDIA, the general consensus is that NVIDIA is focusing on RT performance for next-gen, and not so much general gaming performance. It occurred to me when typing up my last post that these GPUs could very well have a ton of new RT silicon, and could end up being significantly faster than the 2xxx series in that respect.
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Quote: Originally Posted by betam4x View Post
I've been waiting for this topic to catch on.

It's not about NVIDIA being in any kind of business.

The best I can tell from leaks and industry sources:

1) NVIDIA was considering using Samsung as an industry partner for next-gen parts. They continued down this path until it became apparent that Samsung couldn't quite deliver what they were looking for.
2) While that was going on, AMD was in the process of rolling out multiple generations of GPUs on 7nm. At this point AMD has 7nm down to a science. (keep this in mind as we move forward).
3) NVIDIA finally decided, at minimum, to use TSMC 7nm for high end and possibly midrange parts. At this point they are behind schedule.
4) NVIDIA spends a ton of time and money porting their designs to TSMC 7nm. The results end up being somewhat underwhelming.

Yes, this is an engineering sample. Yes things could get better before launch. However, unless someone was testing a really OLD engineering sample, this is close to being representative of the final product. I've been predicting the top TI card to be 30% faster than the 2080ti, and thus far my predictions are looking like they are going to be pretty spot on TBH.

The reason I bring up AMD is that I know for a fact they've been able to hit 2.5 GHz boost clocks on an RDNA 2 part. I've also heard from a third party they may even be at 2.66 or 2.8 GHz for some of their silicon. A lot of this boils down to new power management features and to a lesser extent, other architectural improvements.

What I'm getting at is that NVIDIA slipped this gen. We'll see if they are able to recover, but it looks like AMD might be the one with the faster part this time around. That hasn't happened in a few years now, so it'll be nice.

One other juicy tidbit I hesitated bringing up: AMD apparently is working very hard at optimizing power consumption, including the ability to shut down multiple CUs and boost the remaining CUs to much higher clocks. Based on this information, 3 GHz+ or even 4 GHz+ from future GPUs (not Navi2X, however) are not out of the question.

I think Nvidia is using Samsung 8nm and only TSMC for A100. We will have to see. I think its quite impossible to switch noted that fast. Last time TSMC/Nvidia has delayed was Fermi which came 6 months after AMD and was not refined. I dont think Ampare was delayed much unless the original launch was for Q1 2020 and moved to Q3-Q4. If original launch was Q2-Q3 then a delay means no GPU from Nvidia in 2020.

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Quote: Originally Posted by ZealotKi11er View Post
I think Nvidia is using Samsung 8nm and only TSMC for A100. We will have to see. I think its quite impossible to switch noted that fast. Last time TSMC/Nvidia has delayed was Fermi which came 6 months after AMD and was not refined. I dont think Ampare was delayed much unless the original launch was for Q1 2020 and moved to Q3-Q4. If original launch was Q2-Q3 then a delay means no GPU from Nvidia in 2020.

Is that when Nvidia was blaming TSMC for the barn fire Fermi?

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Is that when Nvidia was blaming TSMC for the barn fire Fermi?
Yeah. I think also with 20nm, They had to backport to 28nm (Maxwell).

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Quote: Originally Posted by betam4x View Post
I've been waiting for this topic to catch on.

It's not about NVIDIA being in any kind of business.

The best I can tell from leaks and industry sources:

1) NVIDIA was considering using Samsung as an industry partner for next-gen parts. They continued down this path until it became apparent that Samsung couldn't quite deliver what they were looking for.
2) While that was going on, AMD was in the process of rolling out multiple generations of GPUs on 7nm. At this point AMD has 7nm down to a science. (keep this in mind as we move forward).
3) NVIDIA finally decided, at minimum, to use TSMC 7nm for high end and possibly midrange parts. At this point they are behind schedule.
4) NVIDIA spends a ton of time and money porting their designs to TSMC 7nm. The results end up being somewhat underwhelming.

Yes, this is an engineering sample. Yes things could get better before launch. However, unless someone was testing a really OLD engineering sample, this is close to being representative of the final product. I've been predicting the top TI card to be 30% faster than the 2080ti, and thus far my predictions are looking like they are going to be pretty spot on TBH.

The reason I bring up AMD is that I know for a fact they've been able to hit 2.5 GHz boost clocks on an RDNA 2 part. I've also heard from a third party they may even be at 2.66 or 2.8 GHz for some of their silicon. A lot of this boils down to new power management features and to a lesser extent, other architectural improvements.

What I'm getting at is that NVIDIA slipped this gen. We'll see if they are able to recover, but it looks like AMD might be the one with the faster part this time around. That hasn't happened in a few years now, so it'll be nice.

One other juicy tidbit I hesitated bringing up: AMD apparently is working very hard at optimizing power consumption, including the ability to shut down multiple CUs and boost the remaining CUs to much higher clocks. Based on this information, 3 GHz+ or even 4 GHz+ from future GPUs (not Navi2X, however) are not out of the question.
GA 100 was TSMC it doesn't look like that was underwhelming or had low clock speed issues. So this could very well be a card that is clocked lower for testing purposes. hard to conjecture everything you're saying especially without any evidence to back it up.

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From what I understand, the top end 'ti' card is going to drop to $999
If you rewatch the Turing announcement video, $999 was the starting price of the 2080 Ti too. I don't know about anyone else here, but I've never seen one below $1100.



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