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post #21 of 42 (permalink) Old 07-10-2020, 05:03 AM
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I don't get it. Who had any "open" approach to anything beside linux systems?
Microsoft? No, closed. Intel? No, closed. AMD? No, closed. IBM? No, closed. Google? Well open but not exactly 80s.
And you could theoretically do anything you want with an apple os (including the big hackintosh community).
The fact that you have to make a "Hackintosh" to begin with is the point. I could buy a motherboard from whoever, GPU from whoever and a myriad of other things from various manufacturers to create a pc, run windows, linux or whatnot. That is not so with Apple. That's what I mean. With all due respect, if you're saying Microsoft, Intel and AMD are closed systems as compared to Apple, then I have no earthly idea what you're talking about. It's demonstrably false. A hackintosh is not something MOST people could do easily.

As to my post that you quoted, my dislike of Apple's "Closed'ness" wasn't the point. It was just a way for me to show that all though I dislike Apple (whether you agree with my reasons or not), I respect their decision to try something "new." It's bold and not without serious risk. That was the point.

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If anyone would benefit from purchasing WB Games it would be Apple.
These people have everything they need to make a fantastic gaming system except for "Content".
The way Apple has floundered around the gaming space is like watching a beached whale trying to walk.
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If anyone would benefit from purchasing WB Games it would be Apple.
These people have everything they need to make a fantastic gaming system except for "Content".
The way Apple has floundered around the gaming space is like watching a beached whale trying to walk.
Apple could have been disruptive to gaming market but they are in projects with high margins and gaming is not such a market. They don't want long term project, they want 2-3 years. They look at Xbox and how it has made no money for MS.

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Right. So everyone ditch their adobe, autodesk etc software, for lumafusion, because that software can replace everything, and a sponsored ad video by linus said we should.
Thanks for the clarification.
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Apple could have been disruptive to gaming market but they are in projects with high margins and gaming is not such a market. They don't want long term project, they want 2-3 years. They look at Xbox and how it has made no money for MS.
I'm pretty sure Microsoft sees Xbox as more of an investment in "mind share" than anything, at least that's what the original pitch was in the 90's "What product does Microsoft sell in the livingroom?" Some executives were concerned that Sony had a monopoly on home entertainment and convinced Bill to sign off on the project.

Maybe Apple thinks they have all the mind share they could want, but it does seem like a bit of an oversight that Gaming is one of the last entertainment sectors that drives people away from Apple, closing the loop and hooking people into iOS 24/7 should be more of a priority.

With xCloud Microsoft is well positioned to start making money off the Mobile space as well, no doubt we will soon see iOS devices spending a lot of time connecting to Azure. Maybe Apple should be more concerned.
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The fact that you have to make a "Hackintosh" to begin with is the point. I could buy a motherboard from whoever, GPU from whoever and a myriad of other things from various manufacturers to create a pc, run windows, linux or whatnot. That is not so with Apple. That's what I mean. With all due respect, if you're saying Microsoft, Intel and AMD are closed systems as compared to Apple, then I have no earthly idea what you're talking about. It's demonstrably false. A hackintosh is not something MOST people could do easily.

As to my post that you quoted, my dislike of Apple's "Closed'ness" wasn't the point. It was just a way for me to show that all though I dislike Apple (whether you agree with my reasons or not), I respect their decision to try something "new." It's bold and not without serious risk. That was the point.
Can you buy a thin soldered dell laptop and replace its motherboard, CPU, memory, SSD? No, you can't.
Can you replace the soldered parts in all-in-one PCs? No you can't. Can you replace the memory or SSD in an imac? Yes you can.

There are no "built it yourself" macs, so comparing those options with apple are irrelevant.

When you buy a dell/lenovo/msi/whatever laptop, you don't pick the motherboard, GPU, memory, from whatever vendor you want, and just assemble it on your own. You can't just replace your all-in-one desktop motherboard and CPU from intel to amd. So that demonstrably false.

So apples to apples, mac is not different from a PC in terms of what you can buy.
While the difference is the OS, considering the hackintosh community already has easy to setup installations, you can turn almost anything today to a hackintosh.

And my point is that claiming something is "closed" or not, and disliking apple for something specific based on false understand and personal biased ideology, could use a counter part instead of just letting that false ideology and personal biased being the tone.


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Can you buy a thin soldered dell laptop and replace its motherboard, CPU, memory, SSD? No, you can't.

Can you replace the soldered parts in all-in-one PCs? No you can't. Can you replace the memory or SSD in an imac? Yes you can.



There are no "built it yourself" macs, so comparing those options with apple are irrelevant.



When you buy a dell/lenovo/msi/whatever laptop, you don't pick the motherboard, GPU, memory, from whatever vendor you want, and just assemble it on your own. You can't just replace your all-in-one desktop motherboard and CPU from intel to amd. So that demonstrably false.



So apples to apples, mac is not different from a PC in terms of what you can buy.

While the difference is the OS, considering the hackintosh community already has easy to setup installations, you can turn almost anything today to a hackintosh.



And my point is that claiming something is "closed" or not, and disliking apple for something specific based on false understand and personal biased ideology, could use a counter part instead of just letting that false ideology and personal biased being the tone.
This is a bit of a nonsense reply because he was referring the desktop PCs, not laptops. But anyway, i can buy a laptop of my choosing with either AMD or intel inside as an example. I can only buy a Mac with what apple has decided should be inside. Then i can take that laptop and replace the OS with a Linux one if i so choose with very little effort. The software of windows and Linux is fairly hardware agnostic, allowing me more choice as a consumer. The same can't be said with apple, but depending on the consumer that isn't necessarily a negative point. Only that apple is far more closed off system than PCs in general



And your point regarding hackintosh's is pretty much irrelevant, because even with a guide creating a fully functioning stable hackintosh is far from easy, largely due to OSX being built to run on a very narrow list of hardware. The average consumer who wants an OSX powered machine would never consider a hackintosh.

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This is a bit of a nonsense reply because he was referring the desktop PCs, not laptops. But anyway, i can buy a laptop of my choosing with either AMD or intel inside as an example. I can only buy a Mac with what apple has decided should be inside. Then i can take that laptop and replace the OS with a Linux one if i so choose with very little effort. The software of windows and Linux is fairly hardware agnostic, allowing me more choice as a consumer. The same can't be said with apple, but depending on the consumer that isn't necessarily a negative point. Only that apple is far more closed off system than PCs in general

And your point regarding hackintosh's is pretty much irrelevant, because even with a guide creating a fully functioning stable hackintosh is far from easy, largely due to OSX being built to run on a very narrow list of hardware. The average consumer who wants an OSX powered machine would never consider a hackintosh.
Like you mentioned it's not necessarily negative. Not everyone wants to deal with spending 20-25 minutes extra to install drivers on Windows(reason I prefer Linux). They buy hardware that Apple tested and optimized to run their software very well.

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Quote: Originally Posted by Defoler View Post
Can you buy a thin soldered dell laptop and replace its motherboard, CPU, memory, SSD? No, you can't.
Can you replace the soldered parts in all-in-one PCs? No you can't. Can you replace the memory or SSD in an imac? Yes you can.

There are no "built it yourself" macs, so comparing those options with apple are irrelevant.

When you buy a dell/lenovo/msi/whatever laptop, you don't pick the motherboard, GPU, memory, from whatever vendor you want, and just assemble it on your own. You can't just replace your all-in-one desktop motherboard and CPU from intel to amd. So that demonstrably false.

So apples to apples, mac is not different from a PC in terms of what you can buy.
While the difference is the OS, considering the hackintosh community already has easy to setup installations, you can turn almost anything today to a hackintosh.

And my point is that claiming something is "closed" or not, and disliking apple for something specific based on false understand and personal biased ideology, could use a counter part instead of just letting that false ideology and personal biased being the tone.
I mean... you can usually replace the SSd and ram on a laptop, even a really thin one, and probably also the network adapter. Can't do that on a mac. Apply made their own version of an m.2 slot that functions exactly the same but it shaped different just to make it harder for people to replace their hard drives since apple likes to charge people an arm and a leg for storage. So apples to Apples, apple is still more engaged in making repairs and upgrades harder than other vendors, like by a lot.

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