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[HEXUS] Apple MacOS Arm64 will only support Apple Metal GPUs


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The slide above was shared by Longhorn on Twitter and is from a WWDC 2020 presentation dubbed Bring your Metal app to Apple Silicon Macs. "The future will be very interesting," commented the Tweeter. "MacOS Arm64 according to Apple removes support for AMD GPUs too, Apple GPUs all the way."

The presentation [...] goes some way to explaining to developers how they will translate or port your graphics-intensive app over to Apple Silicon - including Apple GPUs. It highlights that the Tile Based Deferred Rendering (TBDR) GPU architecture for Apple Silicon Macs is a significant step up from the Immediate Mode Rendering pipeline of older Macs. However, modern third party GPUs from the likes of AMD, Nvidia, IMG, Intel, and Qualcomm are tiled architecture compatible/capable too.


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This is being reported all over. Makes sense given their CPU plan that they would want to make their own GPUs as well. It will be interesting to see how Apple hardware competes when everything fully based on Apple hardware.

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If that is true it is going to rub a few people the wrong way.
eGPU relay on support from the OS. if they are only going to support their own GPU, this will kinda kill a market which really need the compute power of a desktop GPU but still wants to own a mac. It will drive them back to windows based laptops.


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If that is true it is going to rub a few people the wrong way.
eGPU relay on support from the OS. if they are only going to support their own GPU, this will kinda kill a market which really need the compute power of a desktop GPU but still wants to own a mac. It will drive them back to windows based laptops.
Ture, but that seems like a very small market, and honestly I think anyone who uses a mac for highly demanding workloads is probably doing so due to heavy bias and not because it's a good option. If apple ditches the high end market, dozens of people will be disappointed.

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Ture, but that seems like a very small market, and honestly I think anyone who uses a mac for highly demanding workloads is probably doing so due to heavy bias and not because it's a good option. If apple ditches the high end market, dozens of people will be disappointed.
Hmm apple actually push and advertise their macs as creative tool. Aka adobe or other tools.
Those takes a great advantage out of a eGPU which speeds up the work significantly and reduce CPU load.
Looking at egpu forums, there are quite a lot of people using it. While yeah, it is not massive, it is at least something that brought some people to apple eco system as well, or at least kept them there.
Using the macbook pro on the go and at home or office use the eGPU for that little extra push, saving to buy a desktop for the same work, is pretty good.


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I'm sure support for apple GPUs will be added to adobe.

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Quote: Originally Posted by UltraMega View Post
I'm sure support for apple GPUs will be added to adobe.
Adobe already supports Apple's GPUs, editors are already editing 4K videos with their iPads using Adobe Premiere Rush CC. It's of course limited to 1080p exports but 4K editing on the iPad is smooth thanks to the GPU.

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I'm sure support for apple GPUs will be added to adobe.
Problem is not apple GPU support.
It is the power of the apple GPU vs a desktop GPU.


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Quote: Originally Posted by Defoler View Post
Problem is not apple GPU support.
It is the power of the apple GPU vs a desktop GPU.
Well since we don't know anything about the Apple GPUs yet, seems too early to assume performance will be bad.

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Well since we don't know anything about the Apple GPUs yet, seems too early to assume performance will be bad.
Why do you feel the need to twist words and put words in other people's meaning without them actually saying it?

No one stated apple GPU might be bad. It might be good for a laptop GPU in a laptop environment.
But it will still not be able to compete with a full on big core 275W+ desktop GPU, as it will be the aim to replace the mobile chips they are using today from AMD, like the 5600M. That GPU is strong but not desktop strong.


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Quote: Originally Posted by Defoler View Post
Why do you feel the need to twist words and put words in other people's meaning without them actually saying it?

No one stated apple GPU might be bad. It might be good for a laptop GPU in a laptop environment.
But it will still not be able to compete with a full on big core 275W+ desktop GPU, as it will be the aim to replace the mobile chips they are using today from AMD, like the 5600M. That GPU is strong but not desktop strong.
I'm not trying to twist your words...

Who is to say Apple doesn't make a GPU that can scale up to desktop application? It may seem unlikely, but only Apple knows exactly what that will look like for now. For all we know they may release a console with a powerful GPU that competes with PS5 in the future.

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