Originally Posted by guitarmageddon88
So spending less yields more consistent quality?
Originally Posted by Renegade5399
Sadly, yes. The level of QC does not seem to scale with the price.
For example, I have probably seen over 1500 HP flat panels with 0 dead pixels get deployed. I have also seen about 200 low response time, expensive video editing panels all with some sort of pixel issue out of the box. The whole order of 200 panels. All of them. At $1700 a pop. This was chalked up to a "bad batch" and the distributor sent us another 200 making sure they were acquired in blocks of 50 from different warehouses. 111 of those had pixel issues. During this refresh project another 250 27" HP panels arrived. Standard workstation monitors. 249 of them were perfect. 1 would not power on at all. These are $235 monitors.
Exactly. The newer = higher native advertised refresh rate by panel manufacturer often push their technology to the limit to try reduce response times. Somehow in the process they manage to ruin their manufacturing quality even though response times are probably mostly about materials and not about dust free factory, how motivated the workers are to care about the product when handling it, how well calibrated machines are, ... or that they by design make a mistake in mounting (AUO M270DAN2.x) or curve the panel and so badly that it causes pressures on the LCD (Samsung HG70 etc.).
Then there is the: cheaper panels (150-250 EUR monitors) sell a LOT more units than 800 EUR expensive "gaming" monitors, so they at least try make sure the machines and manufacturing works when spitting out high volume numbers.
The issues are not random, some are caused for a whole batch and you can see this when two monitors are almost equal in everything to a point that you have to look at the serial number to tell them apart. As such trying lottery with some monitor... it's better to purchase from different shops, sources, at different times otherwise you may get bad units from the same batch. I had this happen with both XF270HUA and C27HG70, same issues, same batch on some units, clone lookalike.
A lot of issues on 100Hz+ refresh monitors is not even caused by panel maker but by monitor maker messing things up with how they control the panel, what post processing of input signal they are enforcing, how poorly they designed their plastic frame and it's mounting to the panel metal frame, ...
Some panels are OK, some clearly are not, they can be cheap or expensive to buy. Overall you will have a better luck and experience/satisfaction for the money spent when you buy a cheap monitor.
Right now there is 1440p 144Hz: XV272U 500 EUR (UPbbhbhjbmslx like crazy code)[Innolux], VG271U likely also under 500 EUR [who the hell knows], LG 27GL850G [who the hell knows]. Maybe more after CES.
Trying M270DAN2.x based PG279Q and other makes no sense, abandon that titanic. You've seen how bad it is with your own eyes, can read the horror stories for years about quality and ASUS RMA, let it go, move on to newer panels and see if they are worth it or suffer similar issues again... no one knows yet but you can buy some already.
Personally I've moved to 31.5" 1440p 75Hz IPS quite cheap, spot on calibrated from factory and no major issues on first unit. Likely will not be trying these newer 27" 1440p 144Hz monitors myself as in some way they are a downgrade with high cost but they sure are better suited for gaming (if you can stomach their probably quite wide gamut).
Monitors still have a long way to go to be decent, mostly due to manufacturers messing things up and the whole market being stagnant for ages now in launching new panels and backlights.
Tried 11 144Hz monitors in total, returned them all due to major unacceptable defects, from simple scratches on plastic all the way to stars/stuck bright pixels all over panel, dust everywhere, broken internal boards, terrible calibrations and the usual excessive glow and BLB. And that was all the IPS/VA 144Hz panels in existence in 2017-2018, skipped TN: seen & used it, hated it, didn't bother with it.
The only sensible one pre 2019 is AUO's VA in PX329 and LG in it's flat form if you can get it with electronics that do not blur the image in their input post processing such as 32GK850G does. But, it's a VA: it smears blacks and viewing angles are abysmal.
27-30" IPS is a sweet spot for gaming unless you want to sit far far away on some very deep table.
HP Z line used to have 0 defects policy and being a business oriented company they were fairly no hassle when it comes to RMA, Z24i (LG IPS): opened box instead of new = dead pixels = seller scamming, permanent retention in amount of minutes, reasonably OK but failed later when bug crawled inside it and made a huge black spot in the middle of it = RMA, dusty unit = exchange, dusty unit = you gotta be kidding me that's the 3rd unit with pixel issues = same issue = money back = HP isn't ASUS and pays back full price to customer directly. This wasn't a cheap monitor either at the time and never really dropped in price, monitors, GPUs, CPUs, ... never really do drop much in price over time.
Sometimes you get lucky, sometimes not but with the likes of AUO M270DAN2.x or Samsung HG70 (JG50/52 probably too) panels the horror stories are real and 10/10 units bad is not unheard of.
Also why are we not getting glow removing filter on IPS monitor sized panels? Cheap 5" China IPS have them for 5 years at least. But no, on monitors finding one is a miracle once in a decade.