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post #51 of 104 (permalink) Old 07-21-2019, 12:28 PM
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1ms MPRT in strobed mode. AS EXPECTED.

That screen grab is a typical response time table. 0 = black, 255 = white. Video says that's in the fastest response mode. But this highly depends on how the measurement is done, when do they take the time at 80% transition? At 90%? At 100%? There is a big difference and there is also difference between reviewers/equipment. And how much artifacting is there in this fastest mode.

Sub 5ms is nice if it doesn't artifact, doubtful.

Oh yes, OMG, that artifacting in the video is brutal. So yes with massive OD you can get to 2-4ms, great but you will suffer crazy over/undershoots.
They show another comparison but the only worthwhile monitor to compare in there is the 240Hz TN. Looks OK without OD, faster than the TN but not with OD. If their measurements are to be trusted.

Looks like typical cherry picked BLB review sample. There is some but it's not too bad. Funnily enough it has the same hotspots on lower right corner as AUO AHVA panels. Color temp. uniformity... *where is that puke emoji* Looks no better than AUO AHVA, same issue left-right side differ a lot in color temperature.

Can downscale 2160p input from consoles.

Remains to be seen what they did right and what they borked.

I would say the strobing will be as uselessly implemented (=crosstalk) as we've seen so far on most other monitors that can't be user adjusted.
If they keep the quality, uniformity, good and don't mess with input image to sharpen or blur it in their postprocessing then it could be finally a good 27" 144Hz IPS.



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These Samsung HG70 panel based monitors are 2 years old now, nothing new. Maybe they finally improved the quality issue who knows but after 2 years and endless horror stories why bother with a curved VA, the curved alone makes it not worth even looking at.

I would definitely wait for the new LG panel and see how that turns out, if not proper with LG monitor then maybe the EVE or other.
For FPS games 27" is I would say good but if you don't need to check HUD elements (radar, minimap, ammo, what ever that are on edges of screen) and can crank up the FOV (100 deg hor. minimum) then 31.5" isn't bad either, it's only not as high pixel density at same resolution. For most everything else 31.5" is better.
Yeah, I dont know what happened there. It was all good two days ago. Oh well.

It was pretty much saying that Toms is shilling it, if that panel really is hot garbage. They say its great, no ghosting, good for gaming, fast movement. It does say the colors are bad, but the reds are fantastic..the blue/green sort of sucks. If they are using the same panel as the old school samsung, they must have made a profile to improve the shiny turd.

 
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If anything according to RTINGS the viewing angles are worse on later Samsung VA panels:

The OG: https://www.rtings.com/monitor/revie...omparison_1417
Successor: https://www.rtings.com/monitor/revie...omparison_1417 and MSI has the similar angles to this one: https://www.rtings.com/monitor/revie...omparison_1417
And then you have the latest: https://www.rtings.com/monitor/revie...omparison_1417 even worse but some of it can be attributed to the difference of flat vs curved depending on method of measurement.

You can see the 0 to 20% transitions for all as well, it's all about how much OD each has. Turn the MSI to normal OD to remove the artifacting and you're back at HG70 OD (it only has 1 OD level, the other are both strobing modes). This is the endless black smearing of VAs, too long transitions from blacks into lower half of colors.

The Samsung QD coated backlight has a bit unique color reproduction compared to traditional enhanced phosphor for wider gamut. The colors especially red is more "peaky" in it's spectrum so when you look at it, the red kind of "burns unnatural red" and "lacks" orange tones.

nanoIPS... some say it's a coated backlight and Samsung isn't others say vice versa. And no one really goes and takes it apart to figure it out. From the pictures which I think were from LG (still marketing so grain of salt, no a bucket of salt) it showed nanoIPS as a layer in the panel not an enhanced backlight.
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Let us know how it is. I would probably get the TN option if ELMB sync works well enough.

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Well the photos there for BLB and glow mixed in one look about same as existing monitors, similar lottery, how bright cannot really be judged without comparison at same settings to other monitors.

Faster mode is over/undershooting a lot, is it also strobed?

Still it's probably better than what there is now. Too bad it took them 5 years to wake up and offer it.

For gaming only... 240Hz 1080p HP X25f/BenQ XL2540. No new 165Hz IPS will match that speed. Those panels look pretty fast.
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Yeah looks like it's not worth waiting for over XG2703... pretty much same stuff, same BLB lotteries.

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It seems that RGBLED monitors have less problems with BLB than WLED ones.
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