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Strobing+VRR+TN ASUS VG27BQ



https://www.asus.com/Monitors/TUF-Gaming-VG27BQ/

I'm surprised there isn't more talk about these displays. ELMB + VRR is quite revolutionary. Yes the VA and IPS have cross-talk issues. I just ordered the TN version:

https://smile.amazon.com/Gaming-VG27...gateway&sr=8-3

TN for low cross-talk, plus strobing backlight VRR @ up to 165 Hz should make this the best FPS monitor in the world.

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Curious how well it works. Keep us posted!
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Isn't there a hacky way to get some gsync monitors to be tricked into ULMB but still have VRR? TFT Central has a review of the IPS version, pretty bad cross talk, and bad overdrive performance at anything below maximum refresh, however it does have very low input lag. I don't think the TN will be that much better with crosstalk especially if you're playing at erratic framerates. ELMB and VRR aren't really meant to be used together as one is designed for sustained fps at or higher than the maximum refresh, while the other sees the most benefit when there is fluctuating FPS however there are still benefits to using VRR when having a locked fps too.

The best FPS monitors in the world are all currently 1080p 240hz panels and that's not going to change with these new monitors. I'm just hoping the HP OMEN X 27 will be as good as its X 25 counterpart as i cannot go back to anything lower than 1440p.

https://www.rtings.com/monitor/revie...omparison_1425

https://www.rtings.com/monitor/revie...omparison_1425

Look at those two monitors and compare the 240hz of the HP vs the 240hz of the benq with BFI turned on. They're extremely close. Yes the BFI is a little clearer, but you take a big brightness hit and you now have a flickering display which doesn't sit well with everyone and even those that can tolerate it you still get more eye fatigue.

So yeah i'd argue that the small lag advantage of being at 240hz vs 155hz as well as getting a new frame every 4.16ms vs 6.45ms beats out the better image persistence of BFI and it will become even more true once we jump up to 480hz displays, though i have a feeling 300hz is going to be a stopgap. What we're really going to need is microLED or OLED panels as we keep pushing higher refresh rates because LCD response times just won't be able to keep up.

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Isn't there a hacky way to get some gsync monitors to be tricked into ULMB but still have VRR? TFT Central has a review of the IPS version, pretty bad cross talk, and bad overdrive performance at anything below maximum refresh, however it does have very low input lag. I don't think the TN will be that much better with crosstalk especially if you're playing at erratic framerates. ELMB and VRR aren't really meant to be used together as one is designed for sustained fps at or higher than the maximum refresh, while the other sees the most benefit when there is fluctuating FPS however there are still benefits to using VRR when having a locked fps too.

The best FPS monitors in the world are all currently 1080p 240hz panels and that's not going to change with these new monitors. I'm just hoping the HP OMEN X 27 will be as good as its X 25 counterpart as i cannot go back to anything lower than 1440p.

https://www.rtings.com/monitor/revie...omparison_1425

https://www.rtings.com/monitor/revie...omparison_1425

Look at those two monitors and compare the 240hz of the HP vs the 240hz of the benq with BFI turned on. They're extremely close. Yes the BFI is a little clearer, but you take a big brightness hit and you now have a flickering display which doesn't sit well with everyone and even those that can tolerate it you still get more eye fatigue.

So yeah i'd argue that the small lag advantage of being at 240hz vs 155hz as well as getting a new frame every 4.16ms vs 6.45ms beats out the better image persistence of BFI and it will become even more true once we jump up to 480hz displays, though i have a feeling 300hz is going to be a stopgap. What we're really going to need is microLED or OLED panels as we keep pushing higher refresh rates because LCD response times just won't be able to keep up.
Didn't you previously make the argument that 240Hz over 165Hz isn't big enough of an upgrade to go for? Also 240Hz even at 1080p is unattainable in a lot of games for me due to CPU limitations instead of GPU ones. 155Hz is much more doable with the current CPUs we have.

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Quote: Originally Posted by MistaSparkul View Post
Didn't you previously make the argument that 240Hz over 165Hz isn't big enough of an upgrade to go for? Also 240Hz even at 1080p is unattainable in a lot of games for me due to CPU limitations instead of GPU ones. 155Hz is much more doable with the current CPUs we have.
Yeah i did say 165hz isn't a huge leap over 240hz, its there and its noticeable but its just not a game changer like 60 to 144hz was. Unless i was trying to compete professionally i wouldn't bother, but my biggest issue is going to 1080p from 1440p, that's why i didnt do it. Now that we have 240hz 1440p about to hit the stores i will definitely be considering the upgrade. If i'm being honest i'd rather get 4k 144hz but the selection is few, and none of the displays can run 4k 144hz 8 bit 4:4:4 except the XV273k but you can't use VRR if doing that with 2 DP cables.

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I posted my impressions on this monitor's ELMB performance here: https://hardforum.com/threads/asus-t...1981468/page-4

TLDR: Not impressive ELMB performance at all, either no better than or even worst than previous gen TN panels using backlight strobing. I'm gonna have to agree with Malinkadink and just stick with 240Hz. Probably gonna try the Omen X27 1440p 240Hz monitor next I suppose.

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I was thinking about trying the 240 Hz G_Sync 1440p Lenovo, but it's still coming "this spring"! Of what year, we shall never know...

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Yeah that Lenovo ain't ever coming out. I just ordered the Omen X27 240Hz on amazon lol.

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Doesn't strobing give a whole frame of input lag? Ir is it better in modern times?
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Well TFTC found strobing to add about 4ms of extra lag on the Eizo 120Hz FG2421 and says that other monitors most likely add similar amounts of lag. The argument is that an extra 4-5ms of lag is a worthy trade off for the gain in motion clarity. But if theres bad crosstalk then it just defeats the whole purpose in the first place.

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