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Can IPS planels develop image retention over time?

So I have had this LG 27UD-58 since may 2017 and it's been really great considering the price with it's Freesync support (though a fairly narrow range), 4k and relatively decent sRGB accuracy. So it has given me a lot of joy, but I just notice that it's having some fairly substantial image retention (as in it's worse than my old plasma TV was). It's never really been an issue before, but it's definitly there now. Can this develop over time as the panel gets some wear? Can it be Windows fudging things up or is it the screen?

I'm honestly curius now as I have never really hear of this substantial "burn in" or image retention on an IPS panel, I didn't even know it was a thing until I looked it up. I have specifically steered away from OLED and Plasma due to their inherent issues with burn in, but I thought LCD panels were safe from this sort of thing.

The panel is still covered under the government mandated "warranty" period that we have here in Norway, is this something that would normaly be covered under a traditional warrantyor would it simply be put up to wear from use?

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I've been using IPS for two years now with no burn in issues, however I take care not to leave a static image on the screen for to long and turn off the monitor when I walk away with the computer on.

I mean anything can burn in if you leave the same image on for long periods of time and day after day.

I would try to RMA but image burn I don't think would be covered under warranty.

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Quote: Originally Posted by Gunderman456 View Post
I've been using IPS for two years now with no burn in issues, however I take care not to leave a static image on the screen for to long and turn off the monitor when I walk away with the computer on.

I mean anything can burn in if you leave the same image on for long periods of time and day after day.

I would try to RMA but image burn I don't think would be covered under warranty.
Well it's not really a burn in to be fair, it's more of a traditional image retention and gets removed after a couple of minutes of a burn in video like this one:

Still it really doesn't take long before it creates a lasting image retention effect, which surprised me as even a plasma will take a while for it to be easily visible.
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Image retention was normal on older IPS panels. But some newer panels have it as well. Not sure if it can develop over time or not. Changing the settings might have just made it more noticeable.

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Quote: Originally Posted by ozlay View Post
Image retention was normal on older IPS panels. But some newer panels have it as well. Not sure if it can develop over time or not.
Well, it's a 2017 panel so as far as LCD tech is concerned it's not exactly old. Though it is one of the earlier "cheap" 4k IPS panels so that might contribute to it. It’s also fairly recent that this happened, though I can’t say for certain just how long it’s been like this, but I noticed it today and it certainly wasn’t there when I bought the panel.

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My work laptops IPS panel develops image retention easily

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Some IPS and VA panels will experience significant image retention (IR). Here is an example of an IPS tv with severe IR (scroll down to Image Retention section): https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sony/x700d

I've been using an X900F tv (VA panel) as my PC monitor for a year now and although it has extremely mild IR, it did develop some extremely persistent IR or possibly burn-in from the windows taskbar (a static image displayed for 3000 hours straight). Two months ago I noticed the windows icon was slightly visible in the corner on grey backgrounds, and it's still visible to this day.

I also used a Sony X800D (2016) tv as a PC monitor for 1.5 years and it also had mild IR but it never got burn-in. It's hard to tell which monitor will get more IR then another since it varies from panel to panel (panel lottery) and from model to model.
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The answer is yes.

But it is in the timeframe of decade+ static images being displayed.

I worked in the power generation industry and some of the IPS monitors we use to show control systems get the static images of the controls burned into them and need to be replaced every 10-14 years.

Its really bad when an alarm for fire shows green (no fire) for 10 years, then when it switches to red (fire) it still looks 80% green......


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I will also say that what happens more frequently is the layers in front of the IPS pixels discolors. Think like what happens with old beige pc cases being yellow after 10-20 years of sun exposure. The transparent diffusion/and image sharpening and whatever else they use as layers in front of the pixels can discolor due to sun or even the LED light shining through them.

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Quote: Originally Posted by Killmassacre View Post
Some IPS and VA panels will experience significant image retention (IR). Here is an example of an IPS tv with severe IR (scroll down to Image Retention section): https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sony/x700d

I've been using an X900F tv (VA panel) as my PC monitor for a year now and although it has extremely mild IR, it did develop some extremely persistent IR or possibly burn-in from the windows taskbar (a static image displayed for 3000 hours straight). Two months ago I noticed the windows icon was slightly visible in the corner on grey backgrounds, and it's still visible to this day.

I also used a Sony X800D (2016) tv as a PC monitor for 1.5 years and it also had mild IR but it never got burn-in. It's hard to tell which monitor will get more IR then another since it varies from panel to panel (panel lottery) and from model to model.
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The answer is yes.

But it is in the timeframe of decade+ static images being displayed.

I worked in the power generation industry and some of the IPS monitors we use to show control systems get the static images of the controls burned into them and need to be replaced every 10-14 years.

Its really bad when an alarm for fire shows green (no fire) for 10 years, then when it switches to red (fire) it still looks 80% green......


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I will also say that what happens more frequently is the layers in front of the IPS pixels discolors. Think like what happens with old beige pc cases being yellow after 10-20 years of sun exposure. The transparent diffusion/and image sharpening and whatever else they use as layers in front of the pixels can discolor due to sun or even the LED light shining through them.
Well like mentioned this is a fairly "new" panel, at least as far as normal life expectancy on LCDs are concerned so that isn't the issue. It's also not something that happens after 1000 hours of a static image but rather 5 minutes.

I contacted LG support and they mentioned it can happen if a panel has been on for a very long time (this panel had been on for about a week when I noticed it and I do consider that long as far as my time perspective goes) and adviced me to turn the panel off and unplug the power connctor over the night and see if that fixed the issue.

Well it didn't, and after a couple of minutes of use it has some substantial image retention.

so just to sum up what this means as far as this particular panel is concerned;
- It's about 3 years old at this point so it's not that old
- It normally gets turned off after use every day, and the computer with it. Though recently it has seen longer prolonged use (upwards of a week of continuus on time).
- The image retention can most easily be seen by moving icons around on the start line, though any static image that gets moved will show the same result.
- The monitor did absolutely NOT have this when new, and the review on rtings.com sugests that this isnt' something that is present on the panel when new either (https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/lg/27ud58-b)
- 10-15 minutes of an anti burn-in/image retention video from youtube seems to make the retained image go away, but it's back within 5 minutes when a static image is present.

At this point I'm just going to report back to LG and see if I can start the RMA process.
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Well like mentioned this is a fairly "new" panel, at least as far as normal life expectancy on LCDs are concerned so that isn't the issue. It's also not something that happens after 1000 hours of a static image but rather 5 minutes.

I contacted LG support and they mentioned it can happen if a panel has been on for a very long time (this panel had been on for about a week when I noticed it and I do consider that long as far as my time perspective goes) and adviced me to turn the panel off and unplug the power connctor over the night and see if that fixed the issue.

Well it didn't, and after a couple of minutes of use it has some substantial image retention.

so just to sum up what this means as far as this particular panel is concerned;
- It's about 3 years old at this point so it's not that old
- It normally gets turned off after use every day, and the computer with it. Though recently it has seen longer prolonged use (upwards of a week of continuus on time).
- The image retention can most easily be seen by moving icons around on the start line, though any static image that gets moved will show the same result.
- The monitor did absolutely NOT have this when new, and the review on rtings.com sugests that this isnt' something that is present on the panel when new either (https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/lg/27ud58-b)
- 10-15 minutes of an anti burn-in/image retention video from youtube seems to make the retained image go away, but it's back within 5 minutes when a static image is present.

At this point, I'm just going to report back to LG and see if I can start the RMA process.

Like I mentioned before IR varies from panel to panel. RTINGS only tests one panel of each model, if they tested multiple samples they may find ones that experience more IR then others. Also, I've found with my own displays that as they get older they tend to become more prone to IR.

For example, I never used to see and IR on my Dell U2713HM when it was new, but now that's about 7 years old it does get very minimal IR, although definitely not as severe as what your monitor is experiencing. My Samsung plasma never used to get noticeable IR, but now that it's 8 years old it shows up in mere seconds.

You can try and contact LG for an RMA but I doubt they'll do anything for a monitor over 3 years old.
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