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FPS > Hz

What happens to frames when the FPS being pushed by the GPU are higher than the refresh rate of the monitor? Example: A given game plays at 120Hz on a 90Hz monitor. Are those extra 30 frames just dropped, unseen? Or are they still displayed, just at the risk of screen tearing? Any links to articles on the topic are also appreciated.

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i don't remember all the specifics.

but exceeding the frame rate cap of the monitor still has latency reduction benefits. they'd just be even greater on a monitor capable of keeping up.

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Correct me if im wrong here but the hz is how many times per second the monitor can refresh, so yes, the max detectable fps on a 120hz monitor would be 120 fps.
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No. FPS can be many times the refresh rate of the monitor. You just get a smoother playing experience is all. These are two separate concurrent functions.

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Indeed. This seems to be a convoluted topic with lots of misinformation and misconceptions being bounced about on the Interwebz. I did not expect a consensus, was more hoping for a good debate and maybe some helpful links.

I believe I may have found my answer here: https://blurbusters.com/faq/benefits...-refresh-rate/ ; The key phrase being "you can still see fragments of the same frame even at frame rates far higher than refresh rates" along with a handy, easy to visualize graphic. From all the articles I've read this one seems to be the most accurate.

By all means keep replying though, this is an interesting topic and would like to hear more.

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Quote: Originally Posted by superkeest View Post
Correct me if im wrong here but the hz is how many times per second the monitor can refresh, so yes, the max detectable fps on a 120hz monitor would be 120 fps.
true, hz = refresh per seconds.

and yet, still, somehow, blasting 2x more than a screen can handle results in lower latency/better response times, but it's still ALWAYS gonna be if your hz keeps up with your fps. so 240FPS on a 60HZ is better than 60fps on a 60hz, but 240 on a 240 is best

this likely has something to do with the game engine itself. Thus why it's such a hot topic in SOURCE engine games.

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I really think this needs repeating lol. Such a great site.

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I really think this needs repeating lol. Such a great site.
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Yes running 300fps on a 60Hz monitor would give you less input lag, but also consider if you would actually be able tell the difference in a blind test. If you have plenty of headroom, then capping your frame rate to 60 on a 60Hz display would also mean less gpu power = less heat which could also be beneficial in it's own way like having the fans spin at a lower rpm for more silence. Personally I cap my fps at 5 below the monitor's max refresh rate at 120Hz to stay within the gsync window and honestly I couldn't tell the difference when running 115fps capped vs 300+ fps uncapped.

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You get screen tearing as you see more frames on the screen, which is not a nice site, but reduced input lag. If you don't play competitively you should play with v-sync on, if you don't have freesync/gsync monitor.

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