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post #1 of 42 (permalink) Old 12-30-2017, 10:47 AM - Thread Starter
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Does anybody here use paid services here for home use? Do you see the benefits?

I am currently using 360 Total Security (free) with the standard Windows 10 security and I've never had any problems, before that I used AVG free.

Why would anybody pay for firewall and antivirus software for home use? I see them advertised in shops with yearly payment plans and I think to myself, I have never knowingly had a virus in the many years I have used a PC, all whilst using free software.


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you pretty much answered your own question.
I do not use AV for home.
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No av for me since the beginning of time, never had a virus, and if i do get a virus, i’ll just restore an image then bam, instant fresh install.



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Back when I ran Windows I used MS Security Essentials, nice and light. Never had a problem. Occasionally ran Spybot manually. Again never had a problem. The auto real time scanning from Spybot I paid for at one point, but I ran it manually out of habit anyway so waste of money for me. I can't think of having an issue in my entire Windows time when I was old enough to know better. All with free software, or the free functions of some of it.

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Why would anybody pay for firewall and antivirus software for home use?

Because just about all the free AV comes with advertising and a lack of privacy. I ditched AVG and Avast years ago as they started getting agressive with popups and crap. Id set them to not show notifications etc and they would anyway.

I checked 3rd party labs that review AV software and found Kaspersky was constantly the top rated, used them for a couple years until I realized they are Russian/state sponsored.

They constantly went nose to nose in reviews with Bitdefender. Have used their free AV which protects just as well as their paid service, has no advertising what-so-ever and is light on resource usage.

I run a Server 2016 box, 2 Windows 10 laptops as clients and use their gravityzone small business AV suite on all 3 and it works very well. I paid for it as it was only like ~$100 for all 3-4 licenses per year (got an extra licence in case I need it) and gave me a centralized way to manage all the AV software and reporting.

The software doesnt just protect against virus's, but trojan's, phishing, etc that can happen while browsing sites.

To me id rather at minimum use free AV or pay for it and not need it then need it and not have it.
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No av for me since the beginning of time, never had a virus, and if i do get a virus, i’ll just restore an image then bam, instant fresh install.

This logic is like saying if you dont go to the Doctor you must not be sick. A good (or even mediocre) virus isnt going to make itself obvious. If you dont have an AV to detect it you wouldnt know you have it...

You think a virus that compromises your webcam and/or mic wants you to know it? Not all virus give you popups for male enhancement...some of it intends to get information from your machine without you knowing.
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No av for me since the beginning of time, never had a virus, and if i do get a virus, i’ll just restore an image then bam, instant fresh install.

This logic is like saying if you dont go to the Doctor you must not be sick. A good (or even mediocre) virus isnt going to make itself obvious. If you dont have an AV to detect it you wouldnt know you have it...

You think a virus that compromises your webcam and/or mic wants you to know it? Not all virus give you popups for male enhancement...some of it intends to get information from your machine without you knowing.

Exactly! Couldn't have said it better myself.

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This logic is like saying if you dont go to the Doctor you must not be sick. A good (or even mediocre) virus isnt going to make itself obvious. If you dont have an AV to detect it you wouldnt know you have it...

You think a virus that compromises your webcam and/or mic wants you to know it? Not all virus give you popups for male enhancement...some of it intends to get information from your machine without you knowing.

I don't go to the Doctor every day. I actually see a medical doctor once or twice a year. More or less depending on if I need to, but if I don't need to, it's for my periodic general check up. I don't get a check up every single day.

What I'm saying is your logic is built on paranoia. The truth is, if you get a virus, 99% of the time, it was a user initiated change. The first line of defense is the user and the brain. I'm not saying you need an anti virus cause you're not smart so let's just forget that lol, I'm saying I don't use one and do periodic "check ups" with something like Malwarebytes and Panda cloud. They however, are not running all the time.

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IIRC both free and paid versions of antivirus use the exact same databases so the amount of protection you get is effectively the same (barring some extra features they include in the paid versions like browsing protection and etc.). I think that was the reason AV-Comparatives cited why they don't test both free and paid versions of a product (take this with a grain of salt; I'd go dig through their comments for that).

 

How each company tackles getting people to upgrade is a different story. Avira and Avast have adverts you can't really get rid of to my memory. 360 Total Security Essentials is quite nice, though I believe they include an ad banner in the newer clients now? Panda Cloud Free I haven't used but I believe it does the same as 360 when it comes to advertising. Bitdefender is by far the nicest one when it comes to adverts (you can disable it completely) but it also provides the least amount of options compared to the others. If you like having a lot more control over things (e.g. update times, auto-scan times, etc.) then you probably won't like Bitdefender Free. It is, however, the best set and forget solution that's hard to mess up so it's what I'd recommend when setting up computers for other people.

 

As for the people who don't use AV especially on Windows based machines, it's silly like the people before me have stated. Viruses aren't always very obvious (in fact they shouldn't be, and most are like that) and just because you see no signs doesn't mean nothing's been compromised. Most people probably just think of ransomware specifically which is a very small part of the picture.

 

It's not like they have enormous performance penalties anyways. Antivirus isn't some instance of Prime95 or something just grinding away at your resources by sitting there. Unless you need access to all of your performance all the time I'm pretty sure you can take a slight performance penalty during scans one day out of the month (pretty sure tons of antivirus, free or paid, have system load detection or "game modes" or something that pause activity if the user is taxing the system heavily or just let you pause ongoing scans).

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This logic is like saying if you dont go to the Doctor you must not be sick. A good (or even mediocre) virus isnt going to make itself obvious. If you dont have an AV to detect it you wouldnt know you have it...

You think a virus that compromises your webcam and/or mic wants you to know it? Not all virus give you popups for male enhancement...some of it intends to get information from your machine without you knowing.

I don't go to the Doctor every day. I actually see a medical doctor once or twice a year. More or less depending on if I need to, but if I don't need to, it's for my periodic general check up. I don't get a check up every single day.

What I'm saying is your logic is built on paranoia. The truth is, if you get a virus, 99% of the time, it was a user initiated change. The first line of defense is the user and the brain. I'm not saying you need an anti virus cause you're not smart so let's just forget that lol, I'm saying I don't use one and do periodic "check ups" with something like Malwarebytes and Panda cloud. They however, are not running all the time.

Faulty logic. You're comparing apples and kumquats.

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