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post #11011 of 34708 (permalink) Old 02-05-2013, 04:40 AM
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That's not really fair to compare CLP to AS5. I'd question how awesome CLP really is if you compare it to a modern, relevant paste. Comparing to AS5 is like saying "ivy bridge is the best chip I bought, you should definitely buy it over your sandy bridge, check out these before and after benchmarks I have of my ivy bridge against a pentium 2"

I wonder if something better than CLU/Indigo and PK3/masscool is out. The nature of TIMs, you dont hear about them until they become irrelevant (as5, clp). I think I'm gonna have to get some CLU - not because I want to, but because if I don't ask for something, my aunt will buy me another hideous sweater. I'll be sure to do a small fft test if/when i get it to really see how great it is (honestly I do expect a significant difference and yea i actually do think its a good value, a drop of 10*C over a high end modern paste like pk-3 maybe, i mean you'd pay premium $60+ for that kind of drop on just a heatsink upgrade).

i think in this case it does, if i remember well, megawatz used AS5 also,
nothing wrong with my comparison that way smile.gif


i think its more "wrong' to do a comparison like yours ...lol


"ivy bridge is the best chip I bought, you should definitely buy it over your sandy bridge,
check out these before and after benchmarks I have of my ivy bridge against a pentium 2"


ivy against a pentium 2 ...haha
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Did it! biggrin.gif

(Second razor helped for the final part getting apart the IHS)
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CPU: i5 3570K
on die-TIM: Coollaboratory Liquid Pro
ihs-TIM: Coollaboratory Liquid Ultra
Mhz gained: -
OC after delid: 4.5GHz
Temp drops: 38°C
CPU-Z validation of max OC: http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=2680790

Voltage is 1.275 in BIOS (Asrock Z77E-UTX), no offset, but CPU-Z shows 1.296V.
So I guess I am far from a golden chip.

Before:


Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Die contact: good enough, no need for lapping the inner side of the IHS:


Lapping (wet): from 600, 800, 1200, 2000, to 3000 sand paper grain size:


Mirror effect is here, little blurred area on the low right (see my avatar) but it will do! wink.gif

IHS/NH-C14 contact after lapping:

Not as perfect as would have liked, was expecting a nice red square but I will live with it. Don't want to lap the base of the Nh-C14...

I then used the little brush that comes with CLU for both applying CLP and CLU.
It leaves some traces as you can see, so I guess it works but is not the perfect tool.

CLP on the die (and inner IHS):


CLU ont he IHS (and NH-C14):

After delidding and lapping:


Before and after ambient T° were almost identical, maybe a little warmer for the 2nd test (~19°C).
Min temps are colder on the 2nd test because I run the it at the first boot, while last time I did several tests/reboots before making the screenshot.
Core #2 is still the hottest, but max temp droped down from 98°C to 60°C: minus 38°C!!! IMPRESSIVE!!! lmaosmiley.gif
Core #1 is still the coolest, max temp droped down from 86°C to 52°C. So the max diff between core #1 and #2 is reduced from 12°C to 8°C. Was expecting a better result here, like a 3-4°C diff. I am using the iGPU, dunno... What do you guys think?

I did all the job on a wood table without being grounded, touching a metallic heater from time to time though.
Those antistatic bracelets looks so short I didn't want to be bothered wearing one (plus I had to wait 1 week to get one)
For those using one, where do you attached it?

Unlike many other hunting for speed, I am happy with 4.5GHz and did delid to reduce temps and be able to run the cooler at 9v or even 7V for extra silence.
Will see if I still have room for some extra GHz and staying silent though wink.gif
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Did it! biggrin.gif

(Second razor helped for the final part getting apart the IHS)
Voltage is 1.275 in BIOS (Asrock Z77E-UTX), no offset, but CPU-Z shows 1.296V.
So I guess I am far from a golden chip.

Before: Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Die contact: good enough, no need for lapping the inner side of the IHS:


Lapping (wet): from 600, 800, 1200, 2000, to 3000 sand paper grain size: Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

Mirror effect is here, little blurred area on the low right (see my avatar) but it will do! wink.gif

IHS/NH-C14 contact after lapping: Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Not as perfect as would have liked, was expecting a nice red square but I will live with it. Don't want to lap the base of the Nh-C14...

I then used the little brush that comes with CLU for both applying CLP and CLU.
It leaves some traces as you can see, so I guess it works but is not the perfect tool.

CLP on the die (and inner IHS):


CLU ont he IHS (and NH-C14):

After delidding and lapping: Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

Before and after ambient T° were almost identical, maybe a little warmer for the 2nd test (~19°C).
Min temps are colder on the 2nd test because I run the it at the first boot, while last time I did several tests/reboots before making the screenshot.
Core #2 is still the hottest, but max temp droped down from 98°C to 60°C: minus 38°C!!! IMPRESSIVE!!! lmaosmiley.gif
Core #1 is still the coolest, max temp droped down from 86°C to 52°C. So the max diff between core #1 and #2 is reduced from 12°C to 8°C. Was expecting a better result here, like a 3-4°C diff. I am using the iGPU, dunno... What do you guys think?

I did all the job on a wood table without being grounded, touching a metallic heater from time to time though.
Those antistatic bracelets looks so short I didn't want to be bothered wearing one (plus I had to wait 1 week to get one)
For those using one, where do you attached it?

Unlike many other hunting for speed, I am happy with 4.5GHz and did delid to reduce temps and be able to run the cooler at 9v or even 7V for extra silence.
Will see if I still have room for some extra GHz and staying silent though wink.gif

Gratz BaK2BaK, glad it all went well for ya thumb.gif

"minus 38°C!!! IMPRESSIVE!!! lmaosmiley.gif "

that is impressive..very nice, love that smily you used ...lol biggrin.gif
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So after about a week of regular use, and some folding I have settled on 4.8ghz at 1.38v (measured with multimeter) for my 24/7 oc. Here is a temp shot.




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For those who say CLU is excessive...



In my country the custom duties are crazy.... They confiscated one order of CLU and I ordered another... this one got through! thumb.gif

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For those who say CLU is excessive...
Wow, how many rigs are you going to build with all those?! Thousends?
I needed so little for mine, syringe looks like it is unused! wink.gif
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For those who say CLU is excessive...
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

In my country the custom duties are crazy.... They confiscated one order of CLU and I ordered another... this one got through! thumb.gif

they really confiscated it? ..like you never got any of the order?
that would be crazy..
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After you guys paint the die with CLU, do you put any on the inside of the ihs also? Do you use it on top of your ihs, and do you coat the cooler with it too?
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After you guys paint the die with CLU, do you put any on the inside of the ihs also? Do you use it on top of your ihs, and do you coat the cooler with it too?

I put on DIE, inside IHS, top of IHS and on the Cooler - Very very very small amount though.

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I did all the job on a wood table without being grounded, touching a metallic heater from time to time though.
Those antistatic bracelets looks so short I didn't want to be bothered wearing one (plus I had to wait 1 week to get one)
For those using one, where do you attached it?

This is the one I use. I got it from Radio Shack here in the US, but you can find them at most electronics stores or online. I plug mine into the ground receptacle of my power strip or wall outlet. Building codes may vary, from region to region, so be sure your ground point is tied to earth. It also comes with an alligator clip so you can also clip it onto any earth ground point. You can attach the cord to the mat that comes with it, so you have a nice grounded work area to set your chips or circuit boards on. The ground cord is about 10 ft long and wrist strap about 8ft. I can walk all the way across the room with it detached from the mat while still being grounded. I always wear a wrist strap. Even small imperceptible static discharges can cause microscopic pitting within the substrates causing damage over time. Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
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