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post #34641 of 34736 (permalink) Old 06-18-2019, 06:57 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted by Imprezzion View Post
Well, I removed my CPU and delidded it again, the CLU did move a bit and was quite hard so it didn't really flow together anymore causing the higher temps.

Cleaned the IHS and die with some 1500 grit sandpaper and re-applied it with Conductonaut and a few tiny droplets of high-temp gasket maker in the corners. Works like a charm. Coretemps came much closer to each other again and about 10c lower.

I can now run Prime95 29 with AVX/FMA3 Small FFT on 4.9Ghz 1.308v with no AVX offset with 74-71-72-71 peak temps. Stabilizes around 68c tho.

In-game and regular usage saw a peak temp range of 56-58-60-59 on the cores with a Cooler Master ML360R in push-pull (6 stock MF120RGB fans) on 900RPM.

I can run 5Ghz+ but the CPU needs quite a lot more voltage for that to be AVX stable. Have to push as high as 1.376v for 5Ghz and 1.440v for 5.1Ghz and that does result in high 80's in Prime and high 60's in normal usage. Not really worth the extra 100Mhz honestly.

I'll be upgrading to a Ryzen 3900x with an MSI x570 board anyway as soon as they release.
Now do you see why I tell everyone to apply the four tiny dabs in the corner?
*it just works*.
yet you see all these people who keep saying you don't need to.
It's just lazy and haphazard to not reseal it securely, and that's no way to overclock or mod.

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Yep a couple dots on each top corner and a line across the bottom is the only difference I would do
Line across the bottom would catch any LM that might drop off or run after clamping pressure is added for a typical desktop.

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Yep a couple dots on each top corner and a line across the bottom is the only difference I would do

Line across the bottom would catch any LM that might drop off or run after clamping pressure is added for a typical desktop.


This is why I direct die.


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Why because you don't mind if LM drips out and onto something else below the chip kind of tough to seal a direct mount
I know the contact/ cooling reasons for direct mount.

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Quote: Originally Posted by ThrashZone View Post
Hi,

Why because you don't mind if LM drips out and onto something else below the chip kind of tough to seal a direct mount

I know the contact/ cooling reasons for direct mount.
If you apply LM properly, it seems highly unlikely to seep out. LM has a high surface tension and tends to pool, rather than spread. This is why it’s difficult to get it to spread without forcing it into a very thin layer.

I just feel that if you’re delidding, and have access to a direct die solution, it doesn’t make sense to re-lid. I get why people would want to relid (use the same mount, etc), but with a slight modification, you can direct die.

I direct cooled my 4790k using the naked ivy standoffs (which cost about $10). I bought the direct die cover for the 9900k and used the standard standoffs (sans plastic washers). Honestly it seems a lot of people have issues with the relid because they negate their efforts by applying the gasket too thick. And no matter how thin you make it, you’re still applying material between the two contact surfaces.


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I'll be redoing my delid next week and going direct die. It's intimidating enough doing the delid for the first time, going direct die seems much more extreme so I can understand why people would be hesitant to go that extra step.

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I'll be redoing my delid next week and going direct die. It's intimidating enough doing the delid for the first time, going direct die seems much more extreme so I can understand why people would be hesitant to go that extra step.


Yea I get it, but on the new 9th gen, there aren’t any transistors on top, and there are direct die mounts that keep the die from separating from the socket, for a matter of $30 extra. It’s too easy to negate your delid efforts by relidding imo


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I'll be redoing my delid next week and going direct die. It's intimidating enough doing the delid for the first time, going direct die seems much more extreme so I can understand why people would be hesitant to go that extra step.
Hi,
Just have your heat gun and a couple of razor blades to get the SL delid apart
SL uses some tough freaking sealant

Don't get the chip too hot either.
I used my arm behind the chip to judge the timing of how long to hit the chip with the heat gun.
110c your arm hair will burn well before reaching that temp

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Quote: Originally Posted by ThrashZone View Post
Hi,
Just have your heat gun and a couple of razor blades to get the SL delid apart
SL uses some tough freaking sealant

Don't get the chip too hot either.
I used my arm behind the chip to judge the timing of how long to hit the chip with the heat gun.
110c your arm hair will burn well before reaching that temp
I bought Rockit Cool clean and prep kit and their Quicksilver solder removal so I hope to have no issues but thanks I'll try that if I need to.

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I bought Rockit Cool clean and prep kit and their Quicksilver solder removal so I hope to have no issues but thanks I'll try that if I need to.
Hi,
You bought a binned silicon lottery 9900k didn't you or was this a retail purchased chip ?

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