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post #34731 of 34742 (permalink) Old 07-06-2020, 07:42 PM
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It's really weird how it could get damaged right in between the silicone. Even the IHS being pushed off wouldn't do that. In the Rockit tool I don't think it can even move anywhere as it does have a top.
How does the pusher dig into the PCB like that and not damage any of the silicone around, weird.

I used a cheapo tool so I got to see where and how things can move with all the imprecision of it and no clamp on top to keep the IHS down beside a screw running above it.

Aren't the 10 series soldered anyway? Why bother deliding it, doesn't seem worth it to me. I know some do it and there is a tiny gain but it's far from toothpaste vs liquid metal.
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It's really weird how it could get damaged right in between the silicone. Even the IHS being pushed off wouldn't do that. In the Rockit tool I don't think it can even move anywhere as it does have a top.
How does the pusher dig into the PCB like that and not damage any of the silicone around, weird.

I used a cheapo tool so I got to see where and how things can move with all the imprecision of it and no clamp on top to keep the IHS down beside a screw running above it.

Aren't the 10 series soldered anyway? Why bother deliding it, doesn't seem worth it to me. I know some do it and there is a tiny gain but it's far from toothpaste vs liquid metal.

I hear you. I wish I knew how I got it wrong :/

I had good performance results on my 10900k with delidding. I figured what the hell, if you've got the tools and materials might as well get a bit more out of it and some lower temps. Crossing my fingers when the board arrives tomorrow it works. If not life goes on right
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Hey Guys,

I had a misstep delidding a 10700k today for my office rig. The tool pushed down when pressing the IHS off. Never seen that happen before. (I did a 10900k a few weeks ago, and 9900k for a buddy over the weekend without issue.) Motherboard won't get here until tomorrow.


What do you think? Is it toast? I covered the gash with some super glue. I wish I knew how these PCB's were printed to determine if the traces are indeed on the surface or go down further.

From what I'm reading, if you're below the copper; you've gone too far. I think I am only through the soldermask and silkscreen layer.
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If you've cut any of the traces, it's RIP.
If you get liquid metal on those traces, it's RIP.

The slider in the delid tool should have 2 large rails on both sides, there should be no way it can dig down, I guess what happened was that the IHS while being pushed tipped down and dug into the PCB. This is why the better delid tools rotate the IHS instead or the expensive pusher delid tools are more precise and provide top support for the IHS so it can't angle.

Even if you only smashed some traces together, it's RIP.

As far as I know the PCBs are multi layer, there are tons of connections to make.


https://www.anandtech.com/show/9505/...ckage-analysis


@Falkentyne : Yes the liquid metal should be that simple. The thing is getting the materials and at a cost where it makes sense over buying the ready to use finished product.
Contact Rockitcool. They will warranty any product damaged by their delid kit, however I do NOT know for sure if it covers 10th gen.

Jacky, the ingredients are pretty cheap for how much you get.
I got 100g for $30 but its more expensive now.

https://www.amazon.com/Gallium-Scien...dp/B07L2XYF66/ (x2)
Indium (x2=40g): https://www.ebay.com/itm/Indium-Meta...e/223117510144
Tin: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Tin-Metal-E...e/372414604222

Then a crucible to smelt it in the oven and some syringes and tips.
That's enough to make 150 grams. Not too expensive considering how much money you guys pay for other stuff.
And you can always sell small amounts leftover to someone else too.

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Quote: Originally Posted by Falkentyne View Post
Contact Rockitcool. They will warranty any product damaged by their delid kit, however I do NOT know for sure if it covers 10th gen.

Jacky, the ingredients are pretty cheap for how much you get.
I got 100g for $30 but its more expensive now.

https://www.amazon.com/Gallium-Scien...dp/B07L2XYF66/ (x2)
Indium (x2=40g): https://www.ebay.com/itm/Indium-Meta...e/223117510144
Tin: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Tin-Metal-E...e/372414604222

Then a crucible to smelt it in the oven and some syringes and tips.
That's enough to make 150 grams. Not too expensive considering how much money you guys pay for other stuff.
And you can always sell small amounts leftover to someone else too.
Sent them an email with screenshots. Will know more tomorrow when I assemble the rig and see if it works.
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Sent them an email with screenshots. Will know more tomorrow when I assemble the rig and see if it works.
any news about? it works?
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Hey Guys,

I had a misstep delidding a 10700k today for my office rig. The tool pushed down when pressing the IHS off. Never seen that happen before. (I did a 10900k a few weeks ago, and 9900k for a buddy over the weekend without issue.) Motherboard won't get here until tomorrow.


What do you think? Is it toast? I covered the gash with some super glue. I wish I knew how these PCB's were printed to determine if the traces are indeed on the surface or go down further.

From what I'm reading, if you're below the copper; you've gone too far. I think I am only through the soldermask and silkscreen layer.
I never knew about the copper layer on the die until I've just seen it here, I just kept sanding until the layer was completely gone as I thought the die was not perfectly flat, cpu seems to be working perfect though and temps are great now, hope your cpu is not dead..

Edit: Did the cpu work or was it toast?
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i delided and used the rockitcool 10th gen Copper IHS on my i7 10700k and temps are 8-10c less than stock.. not bad... i used Cool Labratory Liquid Pro inbetween the IHS and Silicon, temps used to get to low 90,s now there in the high 70s, low 80s when doign the same p95 smallfft AVX load tests at 5GHZ all Core 1.35 Vcore with LVL6 LLC. Not bad i bet i could get 5.1 or 5.2 stable with all core now becuase of the copper IHS i put on. i bet once somone releises a Direct Die Kit for the 10th Gen Intel Processors ill be able to get another 5-7c going direct die to cooler. (h150i)

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A question about this, my friend's notebook has an i5 5200U and I'm considering put liquid metal on it, but there are two very close dies, would it be a problem if the liquid metal touchs each other (making these two dies contact)?
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A question about this, my friend's notebook has an i5 5200U and I'm considering put liquid metal on it, but there are two very close dies, would it be a problem if the liquid metal touchs each other (making these two dies contact)?
It will be fine. There is no electrical conductance through the die substrate. What you don't want to get liquid metal on are those exposed pins on the surface -- use liquid electrical tape to seal them off.

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