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post #19591 of 19696 (permalink) Old 11-13-2017, 05:24 PM
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Don't use adaptive voltage OMG. Of course you will get nuts auto voltage with that during AVX skull.gif

Just run 4.4GHz probably at much lower voltages. Or do something like 4.5-5-4-4 etc. but with your adaptive going nuts so much with AVX who the hell knows how well it deals with per core OC.
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Problem with this chip is, it will do 4.3Ghz @ 1.272v non AVX and 1.304v AVX all day long in any Prime or whatever stresstest

However, keeping the other voltages the same as the 4.3 setting and just going to 4.4Ghz requires a massive vcore boost to 1.424v to even run sort of stable. 4.5Ghz seems totally unobtainable. It will run x264 for 5 loops or run games a few hours on 1.424v but will inevitably BSOD anyway.. (Always a WHEA).

Man Haswell is a disaster to OC compared to my 3770K. That thing delidded ran 4.8Ghz effortlessly on 1.384v with offset voltage and all c-states and eist enabled.. Really pushing it I could get 5.1Ghz @ 1.488v 100% stable and validated. Man I miss it.. Should've never sold it... I'm genuinely considering selling this setup and getting another 3770K. Or even a x79 4820k or 4930k..

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Hey Haswell and Devil's Canyon owners! I've used this thread a lot but I don't think I ever posted in it. I felt like this was something I needed to write though, even if the Z87/Z97 platform is getting fairly old now.

I ran my [email protected] GHz, 1.3v ever since I first overclocked it. I've used everything from a dedicated 240mm H220x AIO to a noctua NH-U12S. All of them only ever managed to hit 4.7, 4.8 was a wall. I delidded when I went to an NCASE M1 to keep temps low enough to keep running 4.7, the cooling wasn't good enough for me to try going higher. Maybe if it had been, I'd have seen the previously insurmountable 4.8GHz was now somehow very achievable. Who knows.

EDIT I have since found the reason for the increase in overclocking potential to be from an updated microcode, not from improved cooling. EDIT

Fast forward to today where I've just finished putting together a custom loop with 960mm² of surface area, and I've just managed to get 5GHz stable. Granted 1.47v is a Lot, but it works, and temperatures are peaking at 80C so the only real concern is high amperage. I also managed to get 4.9GHz stable at 1.36v, and 4.8 stable where 4.7 had been stable originally at 1.3v.

Proof of 5GHz stability:



Also here's 60 hours of folding at 4.9GHz: Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

I'm not posting this to get it validated on darkwizzie's sheet, I know he's not updating this one any more. I'm showing it to let people know that custom loops can really make a difference with these chips, especially when coupled with a delid. If someone had told me my CPU was capable of 5GHz a month ago with better cooling, I wouldn't have believed them.

Considering the platform's age, I'm gonna run this thing at high volts to keep up with the latest CPUs. And if it degrades, well... there's always upgrading! biggrin.gif

TL;DR: a delid and a custom watercooling loop allowed me to get 5GHz stable on my 4790k where before I could only get 4.7. Maybe it could for you, too.

EDIT Not from those improvements, but from updated microcode! EDIT

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Hey Haswell and Devil's Canyon owners! I've used this thread a lot but I don't think I ever posted in it. I felt like this was something I needed to write though, even if the Z87/Z97 platform is getting fairly old now.

I ran my [email protected] GHz, 1.3v ever since I first overclocked it. I've used everything from a dedicated 240mm H220x AIO to a noctua NH-U12S. All of them only ever managed to hit 4.7, 4.8 was a wall. I delidded when I went to an NCASE M1 to keep temps low enough to keep running 4.7, the cooling wasn't good enough for me to try going higher. Maybe if it had been, I'd have seen the previously insurmountable 4.8GHz was now somehow very achievable. Who knows.

Fast forward to today where I've just finished putting together a custom loop with 960mm² of surface area, and I've just managed to get 5GHz stable. Granted 1.47v is a Lot, but it works, and temperatures are peaking at 80C so the only real concern is high amperage. I also managed to get 4.9GHz stable at 1.36v, and 4.8 stable where 4.7 had been stable originally at 1.3v.

Proof of 5GHz stability:



Also here's 60 hours of folding at 4.9GHz: Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

I'm not posting this to get it validated on darkwizzie's sheet, I know he's not updating this one any more. I'm showing it to let people know that custom loops can really make a difference with these chips, especially when coupled with a delid. If someone had told me my CPU was capable of 5GHz a month ago with better cooling, I wouldn't have believed them.

Considering the platform's age, I'm gonna run this thing at high volts to keep up with the latest CPUs. And if it degrades, well... there's always upgrading! biggrin.gif

TL;DR: a delid and a custom watercooling loop allowed me to get 5GHz stable on my 4790k where before I could only get 4.7. Maybe it could for you, too.
Nice results. I will have to take a closer look at your settings later since I'm on mobile. Currently in the same situation as you. My delidded 4790K with a Noctua D15 only manages 4.7ghz at 1.32v. I'm not temp limited though so maybe it is a wall. I've tried 4.8ghz all the way to 1.4v but I still crash in x264. Hopefully my system would be under water soon. Then I'll try OC-ing again.

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I ran my [email protected] GHz, 1.3v ever since I first overclocked it. I've used everything from a dedicated 240mm H220x AIO to a noctua NH-U12S. All of them only ever managed to hit 4.7, 4.8 was a wall. I delidded when I went to an NCASE M1 to keep temps low enough to keep running 4.7, the cooling wasn't good enough for me to try going higher. Maybe if it had been, I'd have seen the previously insurmountable 4.8GHz was now somehow very achievable. Who knows.

TL;DR: a delid and a custom watercooling loop allowed me to get 5GHz stable on my 4790k where before I could only get 4.7. Maybe it could for you, too.

Nice results. I will have to take a closer look at your settings later since I'm on mobile. Currently in the same situation as you. My delidded 4790K with a Noctua D15 only manages 4.7ghz at 1.32v. I'm not temp limited though so maybe it is a wall. I've tried 4.8ghz all the way to 1.4v but I still crash in x264. Hopefully my system would be under water soon. Then I'll try OC-ing again.

Hey man, thanks smile.gif Those are very similar settings to what I had! I don't really fully understand how this extra headroom just jumped out at me, but it must be a combination of the delid and solid cooling. I had the chip delidded in my M1 for maybe half a year or more, I never found it to have more headroom. I must have tried testing it, probably not too well considering I had finals. It was hooked up to a 240mm radiator, shared with the GPU. Sure when both were under load cooling was tight, but when just stressing the CPU, a 240mm rad should have been enough to give decent temps for stressing. Maybe not good enough!

It quite literally behaves like a different CPU in comparison to the last time I sat down and really tried overclocking, which did happen to be before it was delidded. I guess the only way to know for sure whether it's the watercooling loop or not is to take it out and put it under an AIO or a tower cooler again. I won't be doing that in the forseeable future. tongue.gif

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VCCIN: 2.07 set in BIOS, 2.09/2.1 in software.
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That's some insane voltage and low clock Ring. That thing is cooking even after delid and water in 80C+, such torture tongue.gif
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I want to get some input on a potential purchase. There's an "untested" 4790K posted locally for a low price, but it looks to have a couple potentially serious scratches in the PCB. Do you guys think that these scratches might be ok, or are they in a place where there would be important traces? The scratches are in the top-right corner.

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That's some insane voltage and low clock Ring. That thing is cooking even after delid and water in 80C+, such torture tongue.gif

Haha, well I'm thinking of upgrading soonish anyway so... why not? It's the stress tests that are most dangerous, games don't pull nearly as much amps. tongue.gif I'm working on getting 4GHz on the cache frequency, it's gonna take around 1.45v cache voltage to do it. Just thought I'd mention it so you can cringe even more biggrin.gif

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Well Ring runs under 1.2V and over 4GHz, so your Ring is either trash or overvolted for who knows what. wink.gif Even stock it's around 4GHz and low volts.
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Well Ring runs under 1.2V and over 4GHz, so your Ring is either trash or overvolted for who knows what. wink.gif Even stock it's around 4GHz and low volts.

I'm not sure I fully understand you, but I'll try replying anyways. smile.gif

There's a relationship between core and cache – for getting 5GHz stable, my cache requires a lot more voltage than it would otherwise. For example, with [email protected] 1.36v, I can have the [email protected] with 1.3v cache voltage without problems.

So my response to you is... Yes! It is overvolted, and the reason is that it has to be to get 5GHz core/4GHz cache stable. smile.gif

I'm just seeing what's possible. This is OCN, I thought everyone was all about pushing their systems to the limit! I come here for instant gratification and group reinforcement, not cautionary yet constructive criticism...! biggrin.gif

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