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With the VRIN over-ride, is that true now for Z87 also.. seems to have increased a bit...?
I have the same question after reading the guide. I think we were directed towards 0.5-0.6 V above Vcore on Z87, on Air/AIO. Maybe I could have achieved a higher OC by increasing VRIN...possibly less Vcore needed.

And another question, has anyone discovered the best "hardware monitor" for keeping track of voltages and temps while under load stress testing on these boards?


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Awesome guide thumb.gif. I am on z87x-oc, but I still learned something from your video and the guide.

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I have the same question after reading the guide. I think we were directed towards 0.5-0.6 V above Vcore on Z87, on Air/AIO. Maybe I could have achieved a higher OC by increasing VRIN...possibly less Vcore needed.

And another question, has anyone discovered the best "hardware monitor" for keeping track of voltages and temps while under load stress testing on these boards?
Yea they are just suggestions, i think intel suggests 0.8v delta, but I find that higher VIN can help sometimes, but also lower can help as well. Lower delta=lower temps, higher could be more stability if you can handle the temp increase.
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With the VRIN over-ride, is that true now for Z87 also.. seems to have increased a bit...?
I think it has the same maximum as before? 3v? and same max under normal BIOS of 2.8v? Or do you mean by auto? Because its still 1.8v by auto.
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Nice guide Sin, I have one question though as a none haswell owner (looking to pick up 4790k & SOC Force)

For the uncore overclocking, is it best to leave ti at stock regardless of what overclock your going, or must it be within like 500mhz of cpu overclock at all times? What signs would you get that the uncore is the issue when stress testing as apposed to obvious cpu instability like bsod 101.

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Nice guide Sin, I have one question though as a none haswell owner (looking to pick up 4790k & SOC Force)

For the uncore overclocking, is it best to leave ti at stock regardless of what overclock your going, or must it be within like 500mhz of cpu overclock at all times? What signs would you get that the uncore is the issue when stress testing as apposed to obvious cpu instability like bsod 101.

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The uncore is pretty tricky, there isn't any immediate way to know, but if you think the uncore is causing the issue, you can always back it down to 8x or something very low to isolate it as the culprit, then increase it again. At least that way you would know.

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Yeah I follow you, so see if you fare any better it lower, if you do then youve identified the culprit.

What do you make of the SOC Force board sin? Is it only necessary for LN2 or a decent all rounder? I would just pick up a z97x ud3h but people are saying its not that good...would it really hold say a 5ghz overclock back? I mean ultimately I would like to OC as much as possible under a reasonable 24/7 voltage, like 1.4v.


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On the Vrin, the Z87 advise was to run it ~0.4v difference/delta from vcore. Unless I'm just misreading it, the advise here is to have it running 0.8v difference/delta from vcore? That's what I was just curious on, has that advise changed. So if I went by how I understood it here, running my VID @ 1.41 then I'd have to raise VCCIN to 2.2V...


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Would be nice if we had some way to monitor Vring. (Hint hint Steve cough)
No utilities show it for my UD5H.

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Yeah I follow you, so see if you fare any better it lower, if you do then youve identified the culprit.

What do you make of the SOC Force board sin? Is it only necessary for LN2 or a decent all rounder? I would just pick up a z97x ud3h but people are saying its not that good...would it really hold say a 5ghz overclock back? I mean ultimately I would like to OC as much as possible under a reasonable 24/7 voltage, like 1.4v.
yea, i mean 1.4v is pretty high, i don't know if you can cool 1.4v without delidding, for 24/7, but yea id recommend the Z97X-SOC Force, its a really strong boards. Where are they saying its not OCing well?
I would think it would OC fine, I have a Ud5H here and it overclocks well.

Either way you will get the last drop of overclock with the SOC Force over any of the other boards in the gigabyte lineup, maybe the SOC. Its BIOS and hardware is tuned very precisely to make sure you get every last drop, especially BCLK and memory, CPU is basically standard now that FIVR is integrated, a lot of BIOS makers are putting in tricks to auto increase volts like input and cache, and i saw one recently of high system agent voltages(not from GBT) which were damn high.
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On the Vrin, the Z87 advise was to run it ~0.4v difference/delta from vcore. Unless I'm just misreading it, the advise here is to have it running 0.8v difference/delta from vcore? That's what I was just curious on, has that advise changed. So if I went by how I understood it here, running my VID @ 1.41 then I'd have to raise VCCIN to 2.2V...
0.4v from delta and the system booted stable? Default delta is 0.8v, you shouldn't close that gap unless you are trying to beat temperatures, it will hurt stability in many cases. At the beginning I thought it was cool, but you should get much more stability by increasing it to 0.8-1v delta. Since the release Intel has said 0.4v was the recommended Lowest delta, if you use 0.4v you are prob going to hurt stability. To ensure stability in their own default mode, they choose 0.8v delta. I am using now usually 2.1-2.2v for a 1.25v-1.3v vcore.

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Would be nice if we had some way to monitor Vring. (Hint hint Steve cough)
No utilities show it for my UD5H.
haha vring so important, you don't think Intel's FIVR can set it correctly? smile.gif haha j/k I can ask, but honestly just critically believe what you see, or believe what you see for the difference between what you set and get with the vcore, because i mean its all the same FIVR that does all of it. The design of the power phases in the CPU for the Ring, core, and system agent are the same.

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Sin the reason I like to monitor Vring is because in the past leaving uncore on Auto by mistake caused the Vring to get pretty high. (Z87)
Otherwise I've checked the setpoint with a meter and it's spot on.

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