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post #21 of 122 (permalink) Old 08-06-2015, 04:41 AM
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Testing at too low resolution+settings with a too powerful GPU is better than testing at too high resolution and settings with a too weak GPU - that would just show all CPU's as performing the same.

ddr4 2133c15 performs awfully. You can get 3000c15 for basically the same price.

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That has no relevance here. This is just a comparison of purely CPU-limited gaming scenarios to see how the processors/memory speeds compare in the absence of additional factors. That statement is referring to the realities of GPU limitations and settings people actually run in many games muddying up real-world performance considerations; but this thread isn't talking about that, it's about pure CPU performance in gaming. The low resolution/settings are just to remove the GPU as a factor.

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Those tests are strange. Stock skylake witcher 3 is 113fps, while ovetclocked to 4,7 is... 114fps.

pclab.pl, by far the worst benching site out there, don't even bother.

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So a site is incorrect because it doesn't match anandtechs poor results (from low clocked ram)? rolleyes.gif

That polish site is actually benching real-world cpu bound games. Finally a change from bioshock, metro, batman, etc. of which are gpu bound and don't stress the cpu at all.


It's cute when people scream "low cpu performance increases!!!", yet avoid benching Starcraft 2.
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So a site is incorrect because it doesn't match anandtechs poor results (from low clocked ram)? rolleyes.gif

That polish site is actually benching real-world cpu bound games. Finally a change from bioshock, metro, batman, etc. of which are gpu bound and don't stress the cpu at all.


It's cute when people scream "low cpu performance increases!!!", yet avoid benching Starcraft 2.

Also Rome 2. WoW. Arma. KSP. They don't even try. The 2133mhz c15 RAM thing was also silly.

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So a site is incorrect because it doesn't match anandtechs poor results (from low clocked ram)? rolleyes.gif

That polish site is actually benching real-world cpu bound games. Finally a change from bioshock, metro, batman, etc. of which are gpu bound and don't stress the cpu at all.


It's cute when people scream "low cpu performance increases!!!", yet avoid benching Starcraft 2.


They are known for taking more intels money than other reviewers.
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post #27 of 122 (permalink) Old 08-06-2015, 05:25 AM - Thread Starter
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So a site is incorrect because it doesn't match anandtechs poor results (from low clocked ram)?

No, this polish site is incorrect, because it has a history of being incorrect and because their results does not match others at all. So either they are completely right AND everyone else is completely wrong, or it is the other way around wink.gifbiggrin.gif

I think that everyone know already, witch is the most probable.

And what "low clocked ram"? They run the test at stock clocks, if they push them ram out of the recommended limits, it would be an overclock test. All in all it shows that we might reached the very end of optimalizations of x86 and x64 architecture, when Intel CPU does not show any IPC gains.

I would be much harsher on Skylake. I would try SuperPi tests first and foremost. And if you actually tried that (or know someone who did), you see that these gaming benchmarks done Skylake favor.

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That has no relevance here. This is just a comparison of purely CPU-limited gaming scenarios to see how the processors/memory speeds compare in the absence of additional factors. That statement is referring to the realities of GPU limitations and settings people actually run in many games muddying up real-world performance considerations; but this thread isn't talking about that, it's about pure CPU performance in gaming. The low resolution/settings are just to remove the GPU as a factor.

No, this is exactly the same as everything that has been going on forever and will keep happening from now on. At ******** low resolution and image quality better RAM always show increased performance that never translates to actual gaming.

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Same rule of diminishing returns as always. If these RAM benches are showing us anything is that Skylake follow the same trend.

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At ******** low resolution and image quality better RAM always show increased performance that never translates to actual gaming.

There are a list of CPU limited games where RAM will improve average and min FPS in a notable way regardless of settings/resolution. It's just with Metro: LL, that game is so CPU light that it's irrelevant unless you lower settings/resolution to get 300fps.

Going from 35fps min to 42fps min with faster RAM is rarely explored or shown, but it happens. So few people actually bench CPU bound games properly and explore RAM scaling in depth.

sc2/heroes engine, source, frostbite and arma engine scale notably with RAM when you're not GPU bound, which can happen at far lower framerates and very often when you're actually playing the game. Source runs well so it's not really an issue for that engine, Frostbite is very often CPU bound if you're trying to game at >60hz and sc2/heroes + arma are always performing badly and getting a boost. They're not the only games, just some examples.

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No, this is exactly the same as everything that has been going on forever and will keep happening from now on. At ******** low resolution and image quality better RAM always show increased performance that never translates to actual gaming.

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Same rule of diminishing returns as always. If these RAM benches are showing us anything is that Skylake follow the same trend.

https://www.overclock.net/t/1487162/an-independent-study-does-the-speed-of-ram-directly-affect-fps-during-high-cpu-overhead-scenarios

RAM can help a lot on minimum FPS at max settings. High speed RAM doing nothing is a myth. There are multiple reviews claiming that performance numbers are even larger on Skylake and not just on minimum.

You also keep claiming that this reviewer is not legit. However, you haven't shown a single piece of proof. On the other hand, they are one of the few reviewers who actually reviewed CPU intensive games when reviewing a CPU. The other drones simply keep doing the same GPU bound games and even those are showing improvements with better RAM on Skylake.

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