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if you don't want to spend the time learning about each timing, find someone with a similar kit and steal their timings. people here post their timings all the time, should be able to find some without too much hassle.

you can steal mine when I was running 4133, but it's not the most impressive kit of RAM. might be able to do do better/might be a bit worse.

change a few, run RAM Test/GSAT overnight, and if stable change a few more.

tCKE can probably bet set to 6, had it at 8 in the screenshot. tREFI also should also be able to do 65535.
thanks for posting that, just a quick question tho, how much would change since im populating all 4 dimm slots? I had to drop down to ddr 4000 cause no matter what I changed at 4133, i couldnt stabilize it. Changing TREFI to 32000 seemed stable, but nope, changed Trfc to 550 and not stable.. so now im at 560TRFC, "auto" TREFI (which is 15xxx) and 4000MT/s using the 133 mem strap (not the 100 mem strap as i found this to cause weird issues) and just passed a 100% coverage in HCI memtest. Ive never had so many issues on an intel platform before

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thanks for posting that, just a quick question tho, how much would change since im populating all 4 dimm slots? I had to drop down to ddr 4000 cause no matter what I changed at 4133, i couldnt stabilize it. Changing TREFI to 32000 seemed stable, but nope, changed Trfc to 550 and not stable.. so now im at 560TRFC, "auto" TREFI (which is 15xxx) and 4000MT/s using the 133 mem strap (not the 100 mem strap as i found this to cause weird issues) and just passed a 100% coverage in HCI memtest. Ive never had so many issues on an intel platform before

depends on your board and your kit. My board is terrible for 4 DIMM OCing and now that I'm running 8x4 I'm limited to 3700 and I couldn't post at 3600 with my timings from 4133. My primaries are a bit tighter but almost all my other timing are looser.



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thanks for trying!

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thanks for trying!
There's a couple of things you could try but maybe get version 4.0.4 Asrock Configurator first and post a screen shot of where you're at. Lightshot is good for screenshots and a free download.
From your earlier configurator shot it looks like you can...
raise tRAS to 37 (maybe higher)
tRRD_L can be 6-8
tRRD_S can be 4-6
tFAW is 4x tRRD_S
twr can be left on auto and changed to 16 by controlling with twrpre

Need to know your voltages for vccsa, vccio and vdimm/dram

These are just basic guidelines to start with.
Try them and see if they help and post a snippy

Edit: Just looking at the Memory QVL for that board and anything over 4000MHz is 2x dimms so it might be a daisy chain board...
As a test try running with 2x sticks and see how you go
Newer bios might help when released also

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There's a couple of things you could try but maybe get version 4.0.4 Asrock Configurator first and post a screen shot of where you're at. Lightshot is good for screenshots and a free download.
From your earlier configurator shot it looks like you can...
raise tRAS to 37 (maybe higher)
tRRD_L can be 6-8
tRRD_S can be 4-6
tFAW is 4x tRRD_S
twr can be left on auto and changed to 16 by controlling with twrpre

Need to know your voltages for vccsa, vccio and vdimm/dram

These are just basic guidelines to start with.
Try them and see if they help and post a snippy

Edit: Just looking at the Memory QVL for that board and anything over 4000MHz is 2x dimms so it might be a daisy chain board...
As a test try running with 2x sticks and see how you go
Newer bios might help when released also
Thanks for the reply sir. I DL'ed 4.0.4 version but get error loading and all fields read 65xxx for everything, so thats a no go. Only 4.0.3 seems to work for me. Attached is a current screen shot of my mem timings and I had to lower them to DDR4000 speeds as no matter what I did, 4133 i couldnt stabilize with what little knowledge i have for mem OCing. so far (fingers crossed) 4000 seems to be okay and HCI mem went to 100% coverage, and I stopped the test, so this may be ok. Would like see what performance I can obtain with ddr4000 with correctly adjusted primaries/secondaries/tertiaries timings with some assistance. Current settings are as follows:

SA/IO Voltage = 1.312v (for both) as this setting is on "auto" in bios
Vdimm = 1.395v
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I actually have the latest bios that is not even released yet (0509) got it from asus' forum
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**EDIT** Use mem timing pic on the LEFT side, the right side was my 4133 speed, but couldnt stabilize it to save my life.
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Here is an updated screen shot of settings after setting the following:

TRAS = 37
TRRD_L = 6
TRRD_S = 4
TFAW = 16
TWR = 16 (In bios, but program is reading 17 and dont know why)

**EDIT** just ran 10 instances of HCI MemTest for a quick stability test and ran all instances to atleast 50% coverage and I stopped them all as I ran out of patience, but atleast this is a good start with these adjustments as nothing failed. Whats next?!
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Here is an updated screen shot of settings after setting the following:

TRAS = 37
TRRD_L = 6
TRRD_S = 4
TFAW = 16
TWR = 16 (In bios, but program is reading 17 and dont know why)

**EDIT** just ran 10 instances of HCI MemTest for a quick stability test and ran all instances to atleast 50% coverage and I stopped them all as I ran out of patience, but atleast this is a good start with these adjustments as nothing failed. Whats next?!
Browsing the forum and you have me curious, Why are you downclocking your ram to 4000 from 4400? That's the 10900k system right? Asking because i'm trying to gauge overall 10900k IMC strength compared to overall 9900k imc strength when it comes to 4 dimm configurations for daily use to see if it changed at all from 9th gen chips. Basically, i'm trying to figure out what kind of memory OC gains a user will get when switching from a 9900k to a 10900k on 4 dimms on consumer bought retail chips.

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Browsing the forum and you have me curious, Why are you downclocking your ram to 4000 from 4400? That's the 10900k system right? Asking because i'm trying to gauge overall 10900k IMC strength compared to overall 9900k imc strength when it comes to 4 dimm configurations for daily use to see if it changed at all from 9th gen chips. Basically, i'm trying to figure out what kind of memory OC gains a user will get when switching from a 9900k to a 10900k on 4 dimms on consumer bought retail chips.
cant go by your theory in this case, cause my board is a daisy chain topology, and daisy chain mem layouts clock 4dimm (all slots populated) no where near as good as T-Topology boards. Seems all asus boards for z490 use daisy chain, so I cant seem to stabilize anything over ~4000MT/s speeds. Sure if I knew how to set every timing perfectly I could more then likely get 4133-ISH speeds, but im totally content with 4000MT/s speed and a 5.2GHz OC with a 4.8GHz cache

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cant go by your theory in this case, cause my board is a daisy chain topology, and daisy chain mem layouts clock 4dimm (all slots populated) no where near as good as T-Topology boards. Seems all asus boards for z490 use daisy chain, so I cant seem to stabilize anything over ~4000MT/s speeds. Sure if I knew how to set every timing perfectly I could more then likely get 4133-ISH speeds, but im totally content with 4000MT/s speed and a 5.2GHz OC with a 4.8GHz cache

O for sure, I appreciate you sharing the board topology here. Thanks for the response. Gonna be tracking results over different websites to get the most accurate idea of the 10900k imc strength on 4 dimms. I'm wondering if it improved since 9th generation or if users are still only getting 4133-4200 on 4 dimms stable for daily use. Will have to stay tuned on the forums.

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Here is an updated screen shot of settings after setting the following:

TRAS = 37
TRRD_L = 6
TRRD_S = 4
TFAW = 16
TWR = 16 (In bios, but program is reading 17 and dont know why)

**EDIT** just ran 10 instances of HCI MemTest for a quick stability test and ran all instances to atleast 50% coverage and I stopped them all as I ran out of patience, but atleast this is a good start with these adjustments as nothing failed. Whats next?!
I found this chart in this link, but I dont understand how to know what my time is in ns to realize what/where my trfc should be set at with my given mem settings of ddr4000/ CL17... im currently @ trfc = 560. Auto puts me at 778. memory is so confusing. Here is the chart I found on the googles
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