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post #9421 of 10223 (permalink) Old 05-19-2019, 07:13 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted by Jpmboy View Post

out of whack. the cache on this 9900X is at 3.2, core is at 4.7. Can't really do a fair comparison between a 10 core and 18 core with aid64
Yes absolutely. When I touch an RTL even to set the value it's already running at, it won't boot :/ The board just enters a cycle of reboots until finally booting in safe mode.
Do you know how to fix this? Thanks man!

Have you ever tried to run AIDA 64 memory benchark with those settings but only 4 dimms?
I ask that because in my case 8 dimms absolutely ruin the performance in that benchmark at the same settings.
I would like to know if it's due to the fact that my sticks are different or that performance is severely reduced with 2 dimms per channel.
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So, I'm testing OC now, 2x16Gb kit, tridentZ, 3600-16-16-16-36, fully stable, 200% HCI pass, games show stable FPS results, a little better 0.1, avg and max, 1% a little worse, but nothing drastical.

Still, I feel some....stuttering, in half of games, if comparing to my previous 3200CL14 conf. For an instance, gtav. 3200CL14 - everything's smooth, 3600CL16 -smooth aswell, but whil cutscene, I see those microfreezes, literally couple of ms.
What can it be? Slight undervolt? IMC issues - 8700K + M10H? Trying every voltage, tuned some 2nd and 3rd timings - numbers only get better, microstutters - not.
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Yes absolutely. When I touch an RTL even to set the value it's already running at, it won't boot :/ The board just enters a cycle of reboots until finally booting in safe mode.
Do you know how to fix this? Thanks man!

Have you ever tried to run AIDA 64 memory benchark with those settings but only 4 dimms?
I ask that because in my case 8 dimms absolutely ruin the performance in that benchmark at the same settings.
I would like to know if it's due to the fact that my sticks are different or that performance is severely reduced with 2 dimms per channel.
Thanks a lot for your time, as always this is much appreciated!
do you have the physical MemOkay switch set to the off position?
Yes, I posted 1 kit data at 4000c16 some time ago (and 4 stick run 1T, 8 sticks prefer 2T)

Quote: Originally Posted by Robostyle View Post
So, I'm testing OC now, 2x16Gb kit, tridentZ, 3600-16-16-16-36, fully stable, 200% HCI pass, games show stable FPS results, a little better 0.1, avg and max, 1% a little worse, but nothing drastical.

Still, I feel some....stuttering, in half of games, if comparing to my previous 3200CL14 conf. For an instance, gtav. 3200CL14 - everything's smooth, 3600CL16 -smooth aswell, but whil cutscene, I see those microfreezes, literally couple of ms.
What can it be? Slight undervolt? IMC issues - 8700K + M10H? Trying every voltage, tuned some 2nd and 3rd timings - numbers only get better, microstutters - not.
Ignore the numbers and use the settings that do not have the microstutter...?
Benchmarks are just benchmarks... they may not reflect what works best.
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Quote: Originally Posted by Jpmboy View Post
do you have the physical MemOkay switch set to the off position?
Yes, I posted 1 kit data at 4000c16 some time ago (and 4 stick run 1T, 8 sticks prefer 2T)
It was on "ON" switched it off, and it fixed the reboot loop. Thank you!
However whenever I set a value to an RTL it fails with Qcode 53 I don't get it...

Did you do anything special to run past 3800MHz stable?
4000MHz always fails with 4 dimms.
Btw do you believe it is normal to lose a severe amount of performance in AIDA when going from 4 sticks to 8 sticks and running the same timing? I lose 10GB/s for read.
I am willing to buy another kit if allows me run 4200 CL 16 stable however I am definitely not going to do it if the performance is crippled by the simple fact of running 2 dimms per channel.

Regarding what you said earlier, why Skylake X HCC and Skylake X LCC can't be compared? Are they really that different? I would think that the only difference would be the latency between cores but not much more than that.

Thanks a lot man =)

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A new version of AIDA64 been released. But getting the exact same numbers in the memory and cache test.

I'm pretty sure it basically just adds support for newer CPU's etc.

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It was on "ON" switched it off, and it fixed the reboot loop. Thank you!
However whenever I set a value to an RTL it fails with Qcode 53 I don't get it...

Did you do anything special to run past 3800MHz stable?
4000MHz always fails with 4 dimms.
Btw do you believe it is normal to lose a severe amount of performance in AIDA when going from 4 sticks to 8 sticks and running the same timing? I lose 10GB/s for read.
I am willing to buy another kit if allows me run 4200 CL 16 stable however I am definitely not going to do it if the performance is crippled by the simple fact of running 2 dimms per channel.

Regarding what you said earlier, why Skylake X HCC and Skylake X LCC can't be compared? Are they really that different? I would think that the only difference would be the latency between cores but not much more than that.

Thanks a lot man =)
I think the best way to set IOL's and RTL's is lower the IOL Offset, see what they are after, then manually set the timings with what they are leaving the IOL Offset changed. Had to do that on my Asus boards or wouldn't boot.

Here, a guide.

Edit: I think @Jpmboy said you can leave the Rank 1's on Auto though.

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It was on "ON" switched it off, and it fixed the reboot loop. Thank you!
However whenever I set a value to an RTL it fails with Qcode 53 I don't get it...

Did you do anything special to run past 3800MHz stable?
4000MHz always fails with 4 dimms.
Btw do you believe it is normal to lose a severe amount of performance in AIDA when going from 4 sticks to 8 sticks and running the same timing? I lose 10GB/s for read.
I am willing to buy another kit if allows me run 4200 CL 16 stable however I am definitely not going to do it if the performance is crippled by the simple fact of running 2 dimms per channel.

Regarding what you said earlier, why Skylake X HCC and Skylake X LCC can't be compared? Are they really that different? I would think that the only difference would be the latency between cores but not much more than that.

Thanks a lot man =)
Follow KW's method. Remember, you are mixing two different bin kits (right?) the mix may never be able to run RTLs that would make sense for two kits with the same SKUs. First see what the kits can do, then once you have a stable base to build on, then try manual. The memokay switch disables the automatic frequency and timing search. When it is disabled, training is still functioning.
lol - YOU may need to do something special to get 4000 or higher mixing 2 different SKUs.

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The only thing I could do is bring down the tRFC from 673 to 350, and Command Rate to 1T.

All the results here, make me really jelly. Maybe I really should buy a 2x16 b-die kit. I hate the RAM is the only "auto-tinkered" part of my build.

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Hey guys working on my set my Trident Z RGB F4-4000C17D-16GTZR which is not as nice yet as my 3600 cl 15 set @4000mhz. so started by lowering my trfc from 700 to 520 , and I started getting errors at 600% so I raised 9900k from VCCSA 1.25v & VCCIO 1.20v to VCCSA 1.25v & VCCIO 1.25v and vdimm to 1.4200 now getting to 1486% and then getting errors. is there any more recommended tuning anyone can recommend so I can get better speed and more stable with these sticks ?
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Hey guys working on my set my Trident Z RGB F4-4000C17D-16GTZR which is not as nice yet as my 3600 cl 15 set @4000mhz. so started by lowering my trfc from 700 to 520 , and I started getting errors at 600% so I raised 9900k from VCCSA 1.25v & VCCIO 1.20v to VCCSA 1.25v & VCCIO 1.25v and vdimm to 1.4200 now getting to 1486% and then getting errors. is there any more recommended tuning anyone can recommend so I can get better speed and more stable with these sticks ?
Turn off the RGB if you have not yet, then once you get the kit dialed in switch them on and see if it all holds together... IME, the 3600c15 kits are a better binined IC than many of their higher freq SKUs. (3200c14 is another).

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