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post #9681 of 9764 (permalink) Old 07-11-2019, 04:51 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by KedarWolf View Post
I'm using Thermal Grizzly Conductonaut but I'm confident in doing so as my motherboard sits horizontally instead of vertical in my case so I have no worries about it getting on any components.

Edit: I'm using an Evo Supremacy waterblock, but you think I should lap it or anything?

I saw a video on how to install it direct die, basically, just don't use the washers on the posts between the motherboard and the waterblock.
Yeah, the spring mount pressure is what applies the pressure to the die (not the mount post "nuts", directly). Adding or removing washers allows you to adjust the mount pressure with the mount nuts at their stops. post back with how it goes!
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Will this kit work if you lap the chip thickness down for even better heat dissipation or will it be too thick?
as already noted, lapping the die is a (frankly) silly thing to do. You do not need to do that to thin the die... which might actually impede contact with the cold plate. it's basically fishing with handgrenades. It sounds like a good thing, but:
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as already noted, lapping the die is a (frankly) silly thing to do. You do not need to do that to thin the die... which might actually impede contact with the cold plate. it's basically fishing with handgrenades. It sounds like a good thing, but:
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Yeah, the spring mount pressure is what applies the pressure to the die (not the mount post "nuts", directly). Adding or removing washers allows you to adjust the mount pressure with the mount nuts at their stops. post back with how it goes!

as already noted, lapping the die is a (frankly) silly thing to do. You do not need to do that to thin the die... which might actually impede contact with the cold plate. it's basically fishing with handgrenades. It sounds like a good thing, but:
What about lapping my Evo Supremacy waterblock for direct die?

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What about lapping my Evo Supremacy waterblock for direct die?
if it is flat you should not need to. And IMO, proper lapping requires a true-flat and hard work surface. If the block is really out of whack, sure lapping can help, but a few microns out and you're likely to make that worse unless you got a true-flat surface to lap the block on... just my opinion of lapping. It's like a can muffler.

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For that $59.99 USD including shipping it's incredible and they had a promo, $9.99 shipping by FedEx to Canada!
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4400 straight 17's,with my 3200 c14 kit. Stable, not on your life, lol.
This is my system at 5.1HGz CPU, 4.7GHz cache, 4x8GB memory at 4200MHz 17-18-18-39 2T.

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help i cant go to 1T .
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Safe VCCSA/VCCIO voltage? Got an email reply from G.skill

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Just wanted to share an email response I got from G Skill regarding my auto XMP voltages on VCCSA and VCCIO. I Bolded/underlined the part in their response that im curious about.

My email to them:

Hello,
I purchased the Trident 4400mhz kit to go along with my MSI Meg ace and 9900k. Seems to work with XMP right out of the box, however, the HWInfo reads out the following voltages for XMP:

VCCSA 1.47v
VCCIO 1.37v

I have heard that these are potentially dangerous voltages to the IMC, and I just wanted to get your input on that. Is it really safe to push that much voltage through?




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High Voltage is the nature of the game for extreme performance. Those values are correct, however it is possible for each CPU to slightly vary is required value so in some cases minor tweaking may be necessary to find the perfect value. There is no danger to high Voltage as long as the system is attempting to use it. However if you attempt high Voltages without adjusting other settings to utilize it, the system may have too much overVoltage and that may cause harm.

Once the system is running stable at the proper specifications, the only concern is making sure CPU temperature remains within 80 degrees C under any scenario. CoreTemp is a good software that can record max temps reached so you can use that to check once in a while to see how warm it has gotten.

As far as timings, the system defaults should work best.

Thank youGSKILL SUPPORT




It seems that the XMP values pre-determined for the 4400mhz from Gskill call for values that high according to their response.

Out of fear of frying my IMC I've managed to get a stable:
4166mhz 17-18-18-38 tRFC 500 @1.45V with some tightened secondary timings.
VCCSA 1.25v
VCCIO 1.25v


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Hi all,

Just wanted to share an email response I got from G Skill regarding my auto XMP voltages on VCCSA and VCCIO. I Bolded/underlined the part in their response that im curious about.

My email to them:

Hello,
I purchased the Trident 4400mhz kit to go along with my MSI Meg ace and 9900k. Seems to work with XMP right out of the box, however, the HWInfo reads out the following voltages for XMP:

VCCSA 1.47v
VCCIO 1.37v

I have heard that these are potentially dangerous voltages to the IMC, and I just wanted to get your input on that. Is it really safe to push that much voltage through?




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Hi Dan

High Voltage is the nature of the game for extreme performance. Those values are correct, however it is possible for each CPU to slightly vary is required value so in some cases minor tweaking may be necessary to find the perfect value. There is no danger to high Voltage as long as the system is attempting to use it. However if you attempt high Voltages without adjusting other settings to utilize it, the system may have too much overVoltage and that may cause harm.

Once the system is running stable at the proper specifications, the only concern is making sure CPU temperature remains within 80 degrees C under any scenario. CoreTemp is a good software that can record max temps reached so you can use that to check once in a while to see how warm it has gotten.

As far as timings, the system defaults should work best.

Thank youGSKILL SUPPORT




It seems that the XMP values pre-determined for the 4400mhz from Gskill call for values that high according to their response.

Out of fear of frying my IMC I've managed to get a stable:
4166mhz 17-18-18-38 tRFC 500 @1.45V with some tightened secondary timings.
VCCSA 1.25v
VCCIO 1.25v


Can anyone comment on this info? Has anyone been safely using upwards of 1.45V on the SA with no issue?
"There is no danger to high Voltage as long as the system is attempting to use it.

what the heck does that mean! of course the system is using it. ????
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There is no problem with their statement; after all they provide "Limited LIFETIME Warranty" on "All DRAM memory modules". I however, would not risk my IMC either to use those volts for 24/7, because their warranty does not extend to the CPU.

This is no different than the blanket strategy to blast IMC voltage to 1.25v for DDR3 for easy XMP profiles. Then and now, we have seen that those suggested amounts are not needed and one can normally shave 100-200mV off when tuned.

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