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post #3731 of 4178 (permalink) Old 04-17-2019, 11:31 AM
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I still don’t get how dense you have to be to not understand the read and write are done on the same clock cycle, like I have a “tardy” 5 y/o nephew that could understand that much, and the fact that since they are done in the same cycle its still miles ahead of DDR4, even in quad channel regardless of speed and latency. Like its not rocket science, I mean if he can’t realize that I don’t know how the dude even completes a catchpa, or puts his name on a document where it says “Name:_____”.

But In the same sense it would not make it better where more cores benefit in said workload, only in the sense where it’s cache sensitive and on rare occasions memory intensive. Like said above, don’t feed stray animals or trolls under the bridge or they might end up following you home. And before anyone claims this as “attacking someone” its not, i’m just stating the obvious, and it’s pretty obvious the guy doesn’t get it, nor wants to get it.

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Guys, don't feed him. Be smarter than him.
He refuses to understand, that it's not purely about bandwidth, that by itself doesn't benefit much to games, then let him think this way.
Um, the latencies people are getting w/some DDR4 setups exceed your eDRAM and it's bandwidth simultaneously. The epeen castration complex here is palpable. Too bad the techreport article doesn't support your delusions of superiority. What kind of IDIOT would think 100 GiB/sec bandwidth doesn't make a difference over ~60 GiB/sec?
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Quote: Originally Posted by TwilightRavens View Post
I still don’t get how dense you have to be to not understand the read and write are done on the same clock cycle, like I have a “tardy” 5 y/o nephew that could understand that much, and the fact that since they are done in the same cycle its still miles ahead of DDR4, even in quad channel regardless of speed and latency. Like its not rocket science, I mean if he can’t realize that I don’t know how the dude even completes a catchpa, or puts his name on a document where it says “Name:_____”.

But In the same sense it would not make it better where more cores benefit in said workload, only in the sense where it’s cache sensitive and on rare occasions memory intensive. Like said above, don’t feed stray animals or trolls under the bridge or they might end up following you home. And before anyone claims this as “attacking someone” its not, i’m just stating the obvious, and it’s pretty obvious the guy doesn’t get it, nor wants to get it.
Um, in a quad channel setup reading and writing can be done on separate channels simultaneously.

Furthermore, your L3 cache is captive to your L4 "cache" in the sense that the L4 cache tags are stored in the L3 cache.

Techreport debunked your epeen months ago.
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In games I play, the 5775c still has great performance plus I did not have to buy expensive ddr4. Next built is a Ryzen 2. why anyone would buy a furnace like the 9900k plus exspensive cooler and memory is beyond me. I play in vr only now so the real life low latency in games with the 5775c is great. As a matter of fact the lowly 5675c is still great in most games. I use it with 1080 TI for vr games that are less demanding in room scale.
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post #3735 of 4178 (permalink) Old 04-24-2019, 09:06 AM
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In games I play, the 5775c still has great performance plus I did not have to buy expensive ddr4. Next built is a Ryzen 2. why anyone would buy a furnace like the 9900k plus exspensive cooler and memory is beyond me. I play in vr only now so the real life low latency in games with the 5775c is great. As a matter of fact the lowly 5675c is still great in most games. I use it with 1080 TI for vr games that are less demanding in room scale.
The 5775c is still a great performer for sure. Mine has been retired to backup rig duty, but the reason wasn't lack of performance. Just wanted something new to play with.

The 9900k really doesn't run as hot as people complain about...sure if you leave your mobo to run whatever voltage it wants to do the "multi core enhancement" it will run warmer than it should. Most of the people complaining about the 9900k I see on reddit are trying to use cheap air coolers and not turning off the "multi core enhancement" stuff. While it doesn't need a custom water loop, people can't expect a 20 dollar cooler to keep an 8 core cool at 5GHz.


I hope when/if AMD brings some great competition we start seeing flagship CPUs from Intel with the L4 cache.



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Um, in a quad channel setup reading and writing can be done on separate channels simultaneously.

Furthermore, your L3 cache is captive to your L4 "cache" in the sense that the L4 cache tags are stored in the L3 cache.

Techreport debunked your epeen months ago.
I am really sorry for you man. You lack an understanding of eDram or how it affects workloads. Not entirely sure what you are trying to prove either? That a 6yo chip is finally outpaced by DDR4 platforms? You are looking at AIDA which is affected by both bandwidth and clock. You are comparing a TechReport article which conveniently left the CPU at stock clock settings, stock eDram clocks and ran the crappiest RAM they could find?

Anybody with an impartial mind can look at that and say, WOW an old ass 5775C on stock settings with trash ram is keeping up with current systems.

Like I said, my friend runs a 9900K and gets one extra frame per second than me in ARMA3. We play together daily. If anybody is stretching their epeen it's you. The very fact you mention the term at all lol. You're on this board, don't own this CPU, don't have any experience with it and are here running garbage about the subject you don't understand. You don't understand what a "cache miss" is or how it is handled by either architecture.

Here is some education on the subject.

https://www.anandtech.com/show/9582/...ure-analysis/5

Your post to rep ratio, along with your post history should tell everyone about your intentions and lack of substance.

For everybody else that can see past the hype, actually cares to see how eDram improves IPC performance and can compare apples to apples. Here's a bench for you. 2 members of this board are in the top 10, on significantly lower core clocks than anything around. (Now don't go looking for oranges trying to compare 6 and 8 core CPUS to quad cores.) Rather, imagine an 8 core eDram equipped CPU and what it would do to a DDR4 system.

https://hwbot.org/benchmark/winrar/r...=0#interval=20

CLEARLY there is a huge advantage to eDram style caching compared to having to run through the mem controller out to the DDR for any CPU utilizing it. Sure DDR has got faster over the last few years. It took more than 6y to get on par. I'm not sure any 5775C owner is surprised by this or disappointed by their purchases. You on the other hand do seem particularly sour to keep coming back to this thread. If anything this has made my epeen grow for making such a smart purchase way back when.

If anything we all hope to see an 8core CPU with eDram style caching which would make for a monumental leap in performance over existing architecture worth upgrading to.

If your intention is to somehow say that eDRAM is irrelevant in improving IPC you're delusional as that is precisely where both AMD and Intel are headed in advancing IPC performance adding more and more caching closer to the core.

Now imagine you're this guy. You're mostly into gaming, bought a 5820K, spent a ton of money for an x99 board + DDR4 and later found out that your 6 core is outpaced by an older quad core out of an iMac, and can't compete with the 6700K, 7700K or the 8700K while a on old ass 5775C on an old ass x97 on DDR3 is running circles around you in all that is relevant. So he is here talking trash trying to make himself feel better. https://www.overclock.net/forum/5-in...l#post23601301
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Um, the latencies people are getting w/some DDR4 setups exceed your eDRAM and it's bandwidth simultaneously. The epeen castration complex here is palpable. Too bad the techreport article doesn't support your delusions of superiority. What kind of IDIOT would think 100 GiB/sec bandwidth doesn't make a difference over ~60 GiB/sec?
Even in quad channel computer ram, all ram, even from the old SDRAM to modern DDR4 can only do either one write or one read per clock cycle. The amount of channels does not change this. This is a basic function of the technology of system RAM. I would suggest you read this article because you clearly do not even grasp the basics of computer technology: https://computer.howstuffworks.com/ram.htm

eDRAM inside a processor can do both a read and a write on each clock cycle. Computer System ram can not. There is a -BIG- difference.

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Lol, seen an Intel roadmap and 14 nano until the end of 2021 )))

Q2 2020 10 cores Comet Lake and Q2 2021 10 cores (refresh) Rocket Lake.

Now I'm sure I will buy the i7-5775C, for ArmA only, for 3 more years on same platform.
I will get almost 10 FPS more, which will be fine (for ArmA) till 2022.
Sure, 350$ from AliExpress + shipping is a lot, but much less than buying a very expensive CPU (i9-9900K 5.2 GHz) + very expensive RAM (32 GB 4000 MHz CL17) + expensive mobo + custom watercooling.
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Anyone overclocked their iGPU?
Tried it out of curiosity, but my results are a bit weird. Performance scaling is pretty good.
8.2k with 3dmark Night Raid at 1150
8.8k at 1250
But with anything over 1250 is gets back 8.2k. For some reason frequency drops back to 1150 with anything higher than 1250 (While benchmarking. After the boot GPU-Z reports it as it should be).
Anyone knows a reason for this weird frequency drop?
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I did. I can't remember what clocks were at all, but it gave me 25-30FPS in desert area in NieR Automata on 720p, everything but shadows and effects on high. Started with 18-22 . I think it was 1250ish too on 1.3V on iGPU, going for higher clocks provided visual glitches. But the clocks were stable.

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