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post #4201 of 4212 (permalink) Old 06-17-2020, 09:47 AM
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You just stumbled upon a motherboard with trash Broadwell support, assuming you've got newest bios.

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Quote: Originally Posted by BlueScreenOC View Post
Yeah that's what i've been thinking as well, This board is almost 5 years old at this point. Not too bad for a 80$ motherboard but probably more than due for a replacement.

Yeah that was my mindset of why i moved to Ryzen, really very few to no motherboards had good Broadwell support, and even more had poor to almost none. And in the end its was better to spend $300 for a high end X570 than the $300 someone thought their used $140 Z97 board was worth.

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post #4203 of 4212 (permalink) Old 06-17-2020, 12:32 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by BroadPwns View Post
You just stumbled upon a motherboard with trash Broadwell support, assuming you've got newest bios.
Yes, its the latest bios, also all modules and microcode has been updated with UBU as well.
My friend have ASUS Z97 Gene (VIII? not sure here, but its MATX) and compared to mine, Broadwell support is excellent.
No BIOS overclocking is possible for me, ThrottleStop not working as intended sometimes (straight BSOD when applied, even if previous 10 boots were fine), found old XTU with xtucli.exe present and it looks stable. Problem is, any voltage changes are applied to VCORE/RING and GFX, and have no idea if 1.245 is ok for the graphics.
If I loose patience with it, I might downgrade to Haswell - had no problems with i5 for good couple of years. Do not want to put any extra money for an "obsolete" system.

Also got access to another Gigabyte Z97 ITX board, Gaming 5 this time, but I guess Broadwell support would be as bad as on the one which I'm testing right now. ITX boards are not popular and I have 2 of those - both Gigabytes.

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My Z97X G5 has a rather good basic support, the only glitch I've encountered is disabling C6 disables eDRAM in the same time and power limit hard staying at 85W for some reason. Otherwise it might at most be a terrible RAM overclocking board as power limit can be overwritten by Intel XTU. 1.245V is ok for the graphics, I run mine at 1.289V (that's what HWINFO reports), the core/ring/GPU voltage link in XTU is a real pain but well - my voltage settings in bios work flawlessly x). Frankly speaking, the Z97N Wifi looks like a dumpster board and that might be the reason why nothing works when paired with 5775c. I'd expect the Z97N Gaming to work properly.

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Quote: Originally Posted by BroadPwns View Post
I'd expect the Z97N Gaming to work properly.
I'll test it then. Swapping the boards shouldn't take more than I've already waste on trying to make it work.

EDIT:
Tested
- TDP locked as well, so CPU is throttling even on default settings
- Overclocking behaviour is very similar, VCORE=RING no matter what is set in BIOS. The only difference is boot fail consequences. On Gaming 5 it is recovering itself after few attempts, in WIFI there is a need to clear CMOS by onboard switch.
I'm really disappointed with those boards.

EDIT2:
It is something wrong with the Gaming 5 board, it previously was i3 on it. Overclocking with i7 5775C is almost not existant, with i5 4670K very strange behaviour. When I set Turbo Boost to Enabled, it boost at 2.6GHz, when I leave it as auto - boost on what is set

EDIT3:
Finished my experiments:
It looks like the boards (both of them) do not like any clock ratio changes - CPU and Cache have to be set on auto, otherwise it will not boot or behave really strange, like max CPU frequency less than 3GHz. Also adjusting any power (Wattage) settings have no effect - still power locked in windows to 65W. However I can adjust turbo multiplier and all voltages, so Intel XTU is used only for changing cache multiplier, unlocking max power draw and changing power mode to adaptive.
My settings related to CPU in bios:
- All cpu multipliers to auto except Turbo which is 40x
- CPU Core 1.265V, Ring 1.245V, GFX 1.100V, VRM 1.8V, rest to "Normal"
On windows under XTU
- Turbo Power 120W, max 135W, 150A
- Cache multiplier to 35x
- All Voltage moves to Adaptive (CPU is idling most of the time unless it encode PLEX streams). Whole PC (with 6 HDD) idling at 59W.

Voltages under windows (AIDA)
- CPU Core 1.248V max
- Cache 1.235V max
- GFX not shown anywhere, but assuming its 1.1V

System seems stable, no problems.

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Here you can download latest Intel Management Engine for your Broadwell C
https://www.techspot.com/drivers/dri...rmation/17871/
After installation/update you will have version 11.7.0.1057 from November 2017.

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Quote: Originally Posted by rluker5 View Post
I don't use spectre mitigation microcode bioses out of performance priorities.
But if you don't disable windows/system32/mcupdate_genuineintel.dll, windows will automatically load the spectre mitigating microcode so having it in your bios is just redundant.
If it isn't in the bios, you have the option to remove it from windows. If you put it in the bios you gain nothing if you are using updated windows.
So to be clear, having BIOS with mitigations microcode or not, Windows takes the lead over the BIOS, if it's updated with mitigations?

I have latest BIOS with mitigations microcode and also Windows updated with mitigations microcode.

So if I disable Spectre and Meltdown mitigations in the registry, despite having BIOS and Windows both including those mitigations, there won't be any performance hit then?

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Don't know if reflashing BIOS and reinstalling Windows is a good idea, since I already installed latest BIOS and Management Engine while having my 4790K and kept same Windows when swapping it out for 5775C and changed multipliers and voltages.

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So to be clear, having BIOS with mitigations microcode or not, Windows takes the lead over the BIOS, if it's updated with mitigations?

I have latest BIOS with mitigations microcode and also Windows updated with mitigations microcode.

So if I disable Spectre and Meltdown mitigations in the registry, despite having BIOS and Windows both including those mitigations, there won't be any performance hit then?
Mostly right. Windows does take the lead with microcode. There is still a small performance hit over most non spectre microcodes, but a slightly larger performance hit in i/o over the oddball microcode I like.

Edit: So the microcode is changed by windows and that changes a bit, but disabling spectre mitigations will remove nearly alll of the penalty from that.

But there is good and bad in this.
If you want a mitigating microcode and don't have a way to get it in your bios you can let windows do it for you.

If you want to go back to that bios microcode you can go to windows/system32/mcupdate_genuineintel.dll, right click it's properties, go advanced, security, change the owner from trustedinstaller to you(I just use [pc name]/administrators) and move it out of there and restart.

If you want that microcode back, move it back and restart.
HWinfo64 will show you if it worked. And you can test and see any small differences if you want. I saw them most obviously in crystaldiskmark randoms, but it was a pretty small difference compared to say ucode17.

I use inspectre to disable mitigation while keeping microcode in place where I need it and I believe that's just a registry change.

One place I found a need for it is with this $34 mining mobo (that came with 8GB cheap ram and a crappy pentium) and my 4980hq.
The h97 anniversary didn't have a microcode for crystalwell and no matter what I did I couldn't get the edram to work. But then I put back in mcupdate_genuineintel.dll, restarted and my edram was up and running like it should. It also let HWinfo64 and cpuz read the voltage going to the cpu correctly. Sometimes any proper microcode is better than none.
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So it finally begins, will finally be functional again. Maximus VII Impacts are going for way more that they are worth so I’m scaling down a bit but that’s honestly fine since it’ll just be running a modest 4.0GHz overclock on a stock intel like cooler, though this one is way better. If i end up getting a decent enough SFX psu I might try the 1080 ti in there along with hooking the cpu back up to the 4.4GHz i had it and compare it to my Ryzen system in games, but if not its just getting a 1070 now and maybe a 1660 ti later for the new nvenc.
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