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I hate intel for this dumb marketing

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I'm fine with the 1404 bios, I'll only update if I'll get a new 10920X, we'll see.
Hi Jpmboy, 16-17-17 was not achievable abou a year ago, I'll try 17-17-17, what's the max vdram you advice to go up to?
I know about our quad ch higher latency, ~50 will be enough for me.
Also the cache, I may wanna try 3.3ghz, if it's gonna hold with 0.230v offset it's done.
Cache buys a lot in the AID64 memory test. 3.3 is up there... what is the actual Vcache with a 230mV offset? Remember, the offset is added to the VID (stack) value.

1.45V VDIMM on the x299 platform is a safe zone on the 79xx series chips. I had my Omega at 1.5V VDIMM (4200c17 with 64GB) for several months... until the 9900X CPU died. Not sayin it was the VDIMM... just that it was at 1.5. The ram sticks are fine. I also have a pair of Royals running at 1.6V 24/7 on z370/8086K right now... no "adverse" effects yet on that platform.

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I hate intel for this dumb marketing
Did the official Intel post this, or is this an "interview" ? Did it came from the marketingteam?

I "hate" both AMD and Intel for being "dumb", but I still have both

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I hate intel for this dumb marketing
Did the official Intel post this, or is this an "interview" ? Did it came from the marketingteam?

I "hate" both AMD and Intel for being "dumb", but I still have both [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/tongue.gif[/IMG]
It's that kind regards of figure from Intel that spreads bull**** to convince people that they are incredible

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Here are my timings for 4000MHz. You have some headroom with your secondary timings. The highest tested vdimm by manufacturers is 1.5V, as they sell some kits at that voltage. So that should be safe for the most part.
Nice timings, quite tight, a way more aggressive than mine (all of them), you think they can safely work on a daily setup, not a benchmark one?
Let's say I'll start trying them, which of them should I start with?
I currently have 1.45v training and 1.40v all the rest so I could do 1.50v training / 1.45v windows.

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Is there anyone who trust intel that pushed 18 cores to 5.1GHz with a standard cooler?
It sais "standard liquid cooling" that's standard custom water cooling like we all have (mostly), not LN2, water chiller nor a mere AIO.

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Cache buys a lot in the AID64 memory test. 3.3 is up there... what is the actual Vcache with a 230mV offset? Remember, the offset is added to the VID (stack) value.

1.45V VDIMM on the x299 platform is a safe zone on the 79xx series chips. I had my Omega at 1.5V VDIMM (4200c17 with 64GB) for several months... until the 9900X CPU died. Not sayin it was the VDIMM... just that it was at 1.5. The ram sticks are fine. I also have a pair of Royals running at 1.6V 24/7 on z370/8086K right now... no "adverse" effects yet on that platform.
Agree to 1.45v, can I still use a higher training voltage?
About the cache, I was keeping it for like 6 months at +0.230 offset at 3.2Ghz now it's +0.200 which is about 1.12v under hwinfo64, Asus EC, Cpu Cache/Mesh (1.119 - 1.122).

AIDA cache and memory test added (@ +0.200), over 4h stable
Ran at +0.180 and there was instability in half an hour.
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It's that kind regards of figure from Intel that spreads bull**** to convince people that they are incredible
7980xe is 2 years old and is still rocking when overclocked. Way lower lantency than 3900x overclocked, so yes Intel IS incredible (7980xe is on topic)

Optane 900/905p is way faster than any other "ssd", so yes Intel IS incredible

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Well bloody hell these manufacturers, all of them. I got rid of 3900X / X570 Xtreme when they released the ABBA AGESA which I still find is overclocking the CPU above it's potential and is just simply unnecessary as the boosts were all over the place, 4400 then 3600 then 4500 then 4200 and god knows what else.
So sad to see intel going the same fake-boost route - hitting 5.1GHz for 0.000001s and only achievable if a tibetan monk farts through a horn at the top of Mt.Everest at exactly 4:20AM while wearing pink pyjamas.

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Nice timings, quite tight, a way more aggressive than mine (all of them), you think they can safely work on a daily setup, not a benchmark one?
Let's say I'll start trying them, which of them should I start with?
I currently have 1.45v training and 1.40v all the rest so I could do 1.50v training / 1.45v windows.



It sais "standard liquid cooling" that's standard custom water cooling like we all have (mostly), not LN2, water chiller nor a mere AIO.



Agree to 1.45v, can I still use a higher training voltage?
About the cache, I was keeping it for like 6 months at +0.230 offset at 3.2Ghz now it's +0.200 which is about 1.12v under hwinfo64, Asus EC, Cpu Cache/Mesh (1.119 - 1.122).


AIDA cache and memory test added (@ +0.200), over 4h stable
Ran at +0.180 and there was instability in half an hour.
yes. training at 1.47 (or higher) should be fine. Just recognize that if the rig is on for long periods... drifting may occur.
Good cache! Up to 1.2V is fine 24/7. Above that is a Si lottery draw.

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yes. training at 1.47 (or higher) should be fine. Just recognize that if the rig is on for long periods... drifting may occur.
Good cache! Up to 1.2V is fine 24/7. Above that is a Si lottery draw.
My 3200c14 have been at 1.5v on X299 for 2 years, have not killed my CPU yet. They sell DDR4 sticks that use 1.5V by design (the 4800 sticks, I think) so I figure it is okay. But maybe I am more of a risk taker than most, lol

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What are your IO/SA voltages?
SA 1V, IO 1.12V. The latter is more for my 3.2GHz mesh. I never bothered working SA down, as it doesn't seem to make much of a difference on thermals.

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Nice timings, quite tight, a way more aggressive than mine (all of them), you think they can safely work on a daily setup, not a benchmark one?
Let's say I'll start trying them, which of them should I start with?
I currently have 1.45v training and 1.40v all the rest so I could do 1.50v training / 1.45v windows.



It sais "standard liquid cooling" that's standard custom water cooling like we all have (mostly), not LN2, water chiller nor a mere AIO.



Agree to 1.45v, can I still use a higher training voltage?
About the cache, I was keeping it for like 6 months at +0.230 offset at 3.2Ghz now it's +0.200 which is about 1.12v under hwinfo64, Asus EC, Cpu Cache/Mesh (1.119 - 1.122).

AIDA cache and memory test added (@ +0.200), over 4h stable
Ran at +0.180 and there was instability in half an hour.

A lot of the secondaries take some trial and error. There are a few guidelines for some of them. For example, you can set tFAW as low as 4x tRRD. tRFC is an important one, but it looked like you already adjusted that one a bit. tREFI can be set as high as 32767 on this platform and should be feasible for most setups. I would say take a look at some of the stable timings from the DDR4 stability thread (Intel) for some examples. The timings I posted are for 24-7 use. Passed 2 hours of GSAT, 10,000% coverage in Ramtest, and 1000% coverage in HCI. I have vdimm at 1.47V. You may want to point a fan at the modules though when running memory stability tests. Some modules can be very sensitive to temperature.

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