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post #10361 of 10426 (permalink) Old 01-13-2020, 10:50 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by Wizzzard View Post
2.1 V is way too high. You should be fine at 1.9 even with a heavy OC for a 7960X on ambient.

For my asus board, here are the VCCIN ranges I've measured for various configs:

VCCIN: 1.85 V, LLC 6 (1.792 V - 1.840 V) (This is the one I run)
VCCIN: 1.90 V, LLC 2 (1.728 V - 1.872 V)
VCCIN: 1.90 V, LLC 5 (1.808 V - 1.872 V)
VCCIN: 1.95 V, LLC 2 (1.728 V - 1.920 V)

Your chip will also run cooler with a lower VCCIN
Not disagreeing since i'm still very much a noob, but where did you get that info? All the guides I read recommended 2.000 to 2.100 for 45 ratio or higher on the 7960x and 7980xe so I was just basing it off that. I've also seen here on this forum folks recommending LLC5 for daily use on the R6E specifically.

Can definitely drop it back down (pretty sure I was passing a few hours of CBR20 looped with VCCIN on 1.8v honestly) but just want to learn as much as I can during this whole shindig.

Cooler will definitely be nicer - at low load cores are around 28-30 C right now.

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I've been X299 OC'ing for a while.


Those numbers are numbers I've tested on my current 9960X rig, paired with an Asus Prime X299 Edition 30 motherboard (rig in the sig).


Higher VCCIN = Higher CPU Heat


What you want to watch is what your VCCIN droops too under heavy load. Does it fall under 1.80? Might be time to bump it up.. Ideally you want to keep it 1.80 1.85. This is to avoid "phantom throttling". On some boards you can disable phantom throttling, on other boards you can't, and it may kick in at high 1.7x's.

I've also seen less stability with greater VCCIN droop.

The latest asus bios default uses an LLC 7 with a V of 1.8 (i think) and has almost no droop.


Also, looping CINEBENCH R20 is a horrible way to stability test. You'll waste DAYS trying to test if certain configs are stable. I've found RealBench is a better stability test (using stress test).

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Setup your system in a base config. Should be a very mild OC, nothing extreme. Makes you can pass 8hr RealBench with it set to use half your system memory.

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Quote: Originally Posted by Kalm_Traveler View Post
Not disagreeing since i'm still very much a noob, but where did you get that info? All the guides I read recommended 2.000 to 2.100 for 45 ratio or higher on the 7960x and 7980xe so I was just basing it off that. I've also seen here on this forum folks recommending LLC5 for daily use on the R6E specifically.

Can definitely drop it back down (pretty sure I was passing a few hours of CBR20 looped with VCCIN on 1.8v honestly) but just want to learn as much as I can during this whole shindig.

Cooler will definitely be nicer - at low load cores are around 28-30 C right now.
yeah, those guides are wrong period (and I know who's guides you mean). Disabled the VIN Tracker (tweaker menu) and lower VCCIN a lot. I run my 10980XE/Omega at 4.8 with 1.2V manual override VCCIN is at 1.7V LLC5 with droop under load down to 1.584V (under x265 4K 12x override) and INT. Blender bench droops to 1.596V. My 7080XE at at 1.7V VCCIN also.
On x299, Vcore kills are rare... VCCIN kills are not (for the few kills there have been).
VCCIN @ 2V is waaay too high.

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Quote: Originally Posted by Jpmboy View Post
yeah, those guides are wrong period (and I know who's guides you mean). Disabled the VIN Tracker (tweaker menu) and lower VCCIN a lot. I run my 10980XE/Omega at 4.8 with 1.2V manual override VCCIN is at 1.7V LLC5 with droop under load down to 1.584V (under x265 4K 12x override) and INT. Blender bench droops to 1.596V. My 7080XE at at 1.7V VCCIN also.
On x299, Vcore kills are rare... VCCIN kills are not (for the few kills there have been).
VCCIN @ 2V is waaay too high.
Hi,
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Quote: Originally Posted by Jpmboy View Post
yeah, those guides are wrong period (and I know who's guides you mean). Disabled the VIN Tracker (tweaker menu) and lower VCCIN a lot. I run my 10980XE/Omega at 4.8 with 1.2V manual override VCCIN is at 1.7V LLC5 with droop under load down to 1.584V (under x265 4K 12x override) and INT. Blender bench droops to 1.596V. My 7080XE at at 1.7V VCCIN also.
On x299, Vcore kills are rare... VCCIN kills are not (for the few kills there have been).
VCCIN @ 2V is waaay too high.
ooh wow that's crazy but the good kind!

I'll give those tweaks a try tonight if the system hasn't frozen mid workday. So far we're going on about 10 hours after rebooting with a lowered VCCIN (dropped it from 2.100 to 1.87 last night before going to bed).


On a plus side - loop temps overnight are looking nice... CPU loop settled at 5c over ambient, graphics card loop 9c over ambient. Would be fun to see how close to ambient I can get the CPU loop [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif[/IMG]

*edit*
Haha spoke too soon... Just froze again.

Going to do a little bit of hunting today for a 10980xe but looks like tonight will be upgrade ordering time.

*edit 2*

Had to raise VCCIN to 1.82 to get it through a CBR20 run, insta-crashed with 1.80 and below. SA is set to manual 1.160 and VCCIO is set to 1.110 but both report higher in SIV here. Anywho, I think at this point something is definitely wrong with either the CPU's memory controller, this RAM, or maybe the mb. I could just run the RAM slower but that's counter to the whole reason this machine exists.

Also - I tried booting it up with the 4000 mhz DIMMS I have in the 9900ks rig and it won't even POST with their XMP profile which seems to also point to a memory controller weakness, no?
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in somewhat unexpected (to me at least) news... this 7960x rig has been up for 26 hours without freezing. I increased RAM voltage from 'stock' XMP 1.35v to 1.375v but for some reason they're showing 1.392v in SIV64X.

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