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post #1191 of 1555 (permalink) Old 03-18-2019, 04:59 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted by bigfootnz View Post
Just info for people still thinking that best air coolers can compete with 360 AOI.
Short answer they can’t.
I’m in process building my new 9900k rig with GB Master Z390. It is still a open bench setup as I do not have case for it. For first testing I was using Cryorig R1 ultimate (no difference from D15). With this coller I was able to pass Realbench or Prime95 but without AVX. But anything with AVX was either crash or 110C.

Here is comparison between R1 and Corsair H150i pro.
I’ve found this info from @Falkentyne how to test it without full Prime95 AVX power virus. Do test with Prime95 one instance running on 14 cores without AVX and second Prime95 on 2 cores with AVX. Voltage was 1.320V with Turbo LLC. Vcore reading in Win was 1.256V under Prime.
With R1 temperature was just over 105C in 5 minutes but some workers would fail just little after that.
With H150i (from my Ryzen rig) I’ve passed one hour test with averages temp just below 90C.
After that I’ve even done full Prime95 AVX test (with added 0.02V) and after 15min I’ve stop due to high temperatures.
Just imagine putting both coolers in case. Air cooler using hot air in case will be even less efficient than AIO pulling cooler air from outside.
I think that my 9900k has horrible solder and it is hard to cool but that is not point.
But H150i which has extra slow 3x120mm fans running only up to 1500rpm is beating best air cooler with has 2x140mm fans running almost same rpm for 15C difference.
I was shocked with these results, as I was under impression that best air cooler is almost same as a 360 AIO. But they are not.
Every one has different results but just to clarify a little bit, an air cooler in case with front intake case fans will not be taking in any hot air as you said. Case air flow and a ton of other factors come into play to yield results. The idea that a big air cooler is better than a 360 was never a thing. What i heard was that big air coolers will be as good as most AIO, except 360's. Then again a lot of misconceptions go around the web such as this one. Also the D15, not the same as an R1, maybe dimension wise but not the same(you're entitled to your opinion). I'm sure the 9900k doesn't have 14 cores as you said, I'm assuming you meant threads. Read posts once over before posting to avoid confusion. Glad you're happy with your setup.

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Every one has different results but just to clarify a little bit, an air cooler in case with front intake case fans will not be taking in any hot air as you said. Case air flow and a ton of other factors come into play to yield results. The idea that a big air cooler is better than a 360 was never a thing. What i heard was that big air coolers will be as good as most AIO, except 360's. Then again a lot of misconceptions go around the web such as this one. Also the D15, not the same as an R1, maybe dimension wise but not the same(you're entitled to your opinion). I'm sure the 9900k doesn't have 14 cores as you said, I'm assuming you meant threads. Read posts once over before posting to avoid confusion. Glad you're happy with your setup.


Yes, my mistake regarding cores, it is corrected now.

Front fans will make air inside case cooler but again it will always be hotter air in case than on open bench. Open bench is best case scenario for air cooler.
Regarding R1 vs D15, that is not my opinion but as per tons of reviews including here on cooling section. Some are saying that D15 is better and some opposite. In my opinion nobody can argue that difference between R1 and D15 can be bigger than 1C or 2C.
Reason for my post was that majority is saying D15 is almost the same like any AIO and even 360. I think that I do not need to quote few reviews which are showing just few degrees difference between D15/R1 and 360 AIO, or even beating AIO. When I was asking for advice regarding D15/R1 vs AIO I got plenty answers that difference is just few degrees.

But it is not, and if we put same setup in case this 15C difference will be even bigger.

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As per request here are my bios / uefi settings for my 5.1 / 4.7 overclock:
(IMHO --> this can be used as a reference point for others, of course not every chip is the same ... but build on it, tweak it ... use whatever you need from it)

Cinebench R20 = about 5190 points (with lots of crap running in the background)
Realbench 2.56 = runs between 1.309V and 1.334V (about)

VR VOUT values:
Lowest = about 0.697V
Highest = about 1.360V
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As per request here are my bios / uefi settings for my 5.1 / 4.7 overclock:
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As per request here are my bios / uefi settings for my 5.1 / 4.7 overclock:
(IMHO --> this can be used as a reference point for others, of course not every chip is the same ... but build on it, tweak it ... use whatever you need from it)

Cinebench R20 = about 5190 points (with lots of crap running in the background)
Realbench 2.56 = runs between 1.309V and 1.334V (about)

VR VOUT values:
Lowest = about 0.697V
Highest = about 1.360V
I run my 9900k at 5.1GHZ 4.7 cache with High Loadline at -.085v, a negative offset. IA AC and DC Loadlines 0. while running Prime95 I get about 1.334v most of the time.

Not sure why you need +.045.

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Oh, and that bug with Speed Shift and C-States disabled, with just EIST enabled is back with the F8 BIOS for me, it stopped with the F8g BIOS.

Even on High Loadline with C-States and Speed Shift disabled I get random reboots on idle or just Chrome running.

With C-States and Speed Shift enabled problem is fixed.

And chkdsk ran on reboot and my Windows got corrupted and every boot no matter my previous stable settings I'd get a BSOD shortly after booting into Windows every reboot, had to reinstall Windows just to fix it.

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I run my 9900k at 5.1GHZ 4.7 cache with High Loadline at -.085v, a negative offset. IA AC and DC Loadlines 0. while running Prime95 I get about 1.334v most of the time.

Not sure why you need +.045.
When I run Internal AC/DC Load Line = Power Saving I need +0.045
When I run Internal AC/DC Load Line = Performance I need -0.085

Just a different approach to reach the same result.

Not talking about Vcore loadline ... that is on medium in both settings.

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When I run Internal AC/DC Load Line = Power Saving I need +0.045
When I run Internal AC/DC Load Line = Performance I need -0.085

Just a different approach to reach the same result.

Not talking about Vcore loadline ... that is on medium in both settings.
I should try that, see if it fixes my random reboot issues on idle with C-States disabled.

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I run my 9900k at 5.1GHZ 4.7 cache with High Loadline at -.085v, a negative offset. IA AC and DC Loadlines 0. while running Prime95 I get about 1.334v most of the time.

Not sure why you need +.045.
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