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8600k vs 9600k

I have been away from the overclocking scene for a while as my 3570k has done me proud up until now but now it's time for me to change up and use this 3570k for backup/server use.
Now the dilema I am having is pcworld/currys have the 9600k oem about £30 cheaper than the 8600k box standard, they did have the 8600k oem available for 260 up until last week but have taken it off and I wanted the 8600k more because it had better overclocking potential (without deliding?) at cooler temps, but now the 9600k is cheaper and I need help deciding lol.
I will be using it explicitly for gaming, I won't be deliding (as im a noob and dont want to ruin the cpu in the process), I will be overclocking, more so to fine tune it under recommended volts and temps and I have a custom waterloop to help with o/c.
Now intel specs sheet has stated Tcase temps rated at 100c, so is this the new max safe temp ? for example my 3570k has Tcase of 67.4°C, I thought the smaller the die, the lower temps/volts it can handle, or is this not the case now ? confused lol
I am tempted to go buy the 9600k but the 8600k overclocks better on paper, hmm help me decide

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You've got it backwards. the 9600k is soldered and has better thermals than the 8600k but the 8600k can be delidded and get even better thermals than the 9600k. The 9600k can also be delidded pretty easily so I'd go with the cheaper one. They're the same CPU with different stuff under the IHS.
No idea what tcase is but Intel chips are safe into the 90s, that applies to all the "core" chips afaik, including the 3570k. They don't throttle till around 100c and if you're overclocking with more that stock voltage you'll probably want to keep it under 80c. It's just a 6 core chip so it's not going to be difficult to cool.

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Cool thanks, yeah i'm not delidding, I might give it a try with the 3570k if I feel the need but i'm not too extreme so standard IHS will be enough for me.
Whats the best chipset the z370 or z390 ?
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They're the same, but Z390 motherboards have refreshed design and sometimes upgraded VRM (like Aorus boards).

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Since you're only considering it for gaming, have you thought about the 9700k? I believe its the best of both worlds and only 6 cores will limit you in some games that are already on the market. The 8 core 9700k will have you covered perfectly, if its not that much more compared to the 9600k.

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Quote: Originally Posted by BroadPwns View Post
They're the same, but Z390 motherboards have refreshed design and sometimes upgraded VRM (like Aorus boards).
Yeah I did a quick google and found 390 has got 6 native usb 3 ports plus wifi over the 370

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Since you're only considering it for gaming, have you thought about the 9700k? I believe its the best of both worlds and only 6 cores will limit you in some games that are already on the market. The 8 core 9700k will have you covered perfectly, if its not that much more compared to the 9600k.
Unfortunately the 9600k is probably the best deal in uk right now price wise, to get the 8600k or 9700k would be £30-100 more, the money I have saved on the 9600k got me some 3k mhz corsair ram

Anyhow I ordered the 9600k and a z370 asus board, I forget which now lol as I have never had any issues with asus, I have some old ones overclocked for 10+ years and still run good.

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You really should have went with z390. Though unless you're taking the CPU and RAM as far as possible it might not matter much.
There were a lot of z370 boards that were pretty bad for the price and z390 needed to support the 9900k so they couldn't use the same VRM again on lower tier boards.
In your case it may not matter.

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The i5 9600k is a fine choice for gaming and won't limit FPS if your not using GTX 1080ti or RTX 2080ti at 1080p. i5 8600k, i7 8700k, i7 9700k FPS comparison running a GTX 1080ti link: https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/..._9700K/13.html

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Thanks for all the replies guys, sorry for the confusion but I am the op, i just couldn't remember my old login details for this account so I used my sons but yeah as i said it will be purely for gaming and the card I am using is the 980ti, I will be overclocking as much as i can by remaining under 1.3vcore is it on the 9600k or 1.36 and will be running ultra widescreen res across 3 monitors with nvidias surround display, I will do more research on the vcore as I get closer to receiving all my parts.
Got the cpu today and ram, just waiting on the mobo and waterloop accessories as I will be thoroughly cleaning the loop which has been closed and untouched for 2 years lol. Luckily just some colouration in the water which is coming from the silver coil (I think it was just silver plated).
Not sure how to clean the loop, i may just use vinegar and leave it to sit overnight in the rads, the rest can be taken apart and cleaned with alloy keys and the filter doesn't seem like it has much in it, so it might just be a quick service ready for another few months, I dont think I will let it last this long judging the brown hue of the water. but the copper in the blocks i can see through the plexiglass doesn't appear to have any corrosion.
The card however has bent slightly from the weight of the water/waterblock, I may use some cardboard supports this time around:/

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Post your overclock results. I have a i5 8600k and I overclock for the fun of it because the RTX 2070 is not fast enough to need my processor overclocked, the CPU stock runs my graphics card as fast as it can go. With a i5 9600k with GTX 980ti you don't need to overclock the processor for gaming except for fun.

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